30 people sacked today at work

MissSarah1972

matt10001 wrote: »

Can a firm sack you without giving you three warmings? Say this happened to me and I got sacked without a warming, will I ever get a job again?

If you are in gross misconduct, yes.

The heading here says 30 people are sacked?

Sambucus_Nigra

matt10001 wrote: »

Can a firm sack you without giving you three warmings? Say this happened to me and I got sacked without a warming, will I ever get a job again?

Did this happen to you?

V_Chic_Chick

You can be sacked without warning for gross misconduct.

For 30 people to be sacked at once is surprising - were they all sacked for the same thing?

What were you / they sacked for?

SueC_2

sweetme wrote: »

You can certainly be made redundant without warning as I discovered two weeks ago.

Not if there are 30 of you though. Any more than 20 and the employer is obliged to go through a consultation period.

Unless the company has gone bump overnight, in which case, all bets are off!

SueC_2

caeler wrote: »

Without a period of meaningful consultation and notice (either worked or paid in lieu) is illegal. :-(

I didn't think this was the case if there were less than 20 people involved?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/RedundancyAndLeavingYourJob/Redundancy/DG_10029835

Mersey_2

The only similar cases I can think of are:-

* 20 from a large insurer were sacked for gross misconduct, for misuse of company email policy, re forwarding an offensive joke;

* 25 Passport Agency employees in Liverpool were 'terminated' without notice, as it appeared they never actually had employment contracts, to continue after a fixed period and that had mistakenly lapsed a year or so earlier. I think the local MP took up this case, but to no avail.

As others have said gross misconduct can result in immediate dismissal, but it should still be stated as the reason, with a specific, eg arson, assault, theft.

marybelle01

Mersey wrote: »

The only similar cases I can think of are:-

* 20 from a large insurer were sacked for gross misconduct, for misuse of company email policy, re forwarding an offensive joke;

* 25 Passport Agency employees in Liverpool were 'terminated' without notice, as it appeared they never actually had employment contracts, to continue after a fixed period and that had mistakenly lapsed a year or so earlier. I think the local MP took up this case, but to no avail.

As others have said gross misconduct can result in immediate dismissal, but it should still be stated as the reason, with a specific, eg arson, assault, theft.

You lack imagination How about 30 employees all with 11 months and 2 weeks service? Happens all the time!

Shortly to be 23 months and 2 weeks....

BJV

Have been reading the posts and totally agree it depends what your where sacked for. Gross misconduct and it bye bye. This said do we know yet?

p.s sweetme so sorry to hear that. Almost the same thing happened it me feels like a million years ago and it is only now that I can look back and realize that it was possibly one of the best things that has happened to me career wise. Hope it ends up being the same for you.

Mersey_2

marybelle01 wrote: »

You lack imagination How about 30 employees all with 11 months and 2 weeks service? Happens all the time!

Shortly to be 23 months and 2 weeks....

Whilist it's true that full Employment Tribunal rights only occur after 12 months, a lot are from day one, including statutory rights not to discriminate on several grounds.

Incidentally, although there's a huge backlog for those awaiting Employment Tribunal, most tend to settle, although sadly, with the recession a lot of firms simply go bust and then people have to apply to national funds for £.

Even after awards are made, some companies don't pay. I watched a BBC docu re High Court Sherriffs enforcing these - it was good to see!

marybelle01

Mersey wrote: »

Whilist it's true that full Employment Tribunal rights only occur after 12 months, a lot are from day one, including statutory rights not to discriminate on several grounds.

Incidentally, although there's a huge backlog for those awaiting Employment Tribunal, most tend to settle, although sadly, with the recession a lot of firms simply go bust and then people have to apply to national funds for £.

Even after awards are made, some companies don't pay. I watched a BBC docu re High Court Sherriffs enforcing these - it was good to see!

Yes, but unless they sack the 30 black staff, the 30 disabled staff or the 30 female staff, because they are black, disabled or female (or whatever the protected characteristic is), it isn't discrimination. Sacking people 2 weeks shy of their right to claim unfair dismissal is the oldest trick in the book.