Do I tip the removal men ? and if so how much ?

dacouch

christopher1977 wrote: »

I've done plenty of things like that. It's not hard.

If it was difficult and you needed specialist training it would be highly paid.

Get a grip.

Sure you have

tbs624

jjlandlord wrote: »

HMRC does not tax people at random, you don't get taxed on nonexistent income...

It's best to keep a record of tips actually received direct (rather than via a tronc) because an employee is likely to need to be able to challenge HMRC, as a previous poster has said.

See HMRC website:

"Most people don't have to fill in a tax return. If you don't, HMRC will estimate the tips you're likely to get and give you a tax code that will collect the tax through PAYE. Get in touch with HMRC if you think the estimates wrong."

The_Earl_of_Streatham

pacific4130 wrote: »

..I decided I didn't want to earn minimum wage or work in a dead-end factory job. So I grew a spine and worked my way up the ladder - step by bl**dy step. Hard work/study/commitment...

I did that too, I've done reasonably well. It's put me in a financial position where I can afford to tip and take pleasure in doing so because I've made the effort to give myself the wherewithal to be generous. I only have a say in what goes on in my life, I don't know the circumstances of anybody doing work for me and if I did I'd have no right to judge.

Not tipping someone because you think they ought to work harder and get a better job is ridiculous. Suppose they do just that, do you tip the person who replaces them? Of course you don't, after all they should work harder and get a better job shouldn't they?

It's just an excuse to hang on to your money and you're perfectly entitled to do that. Dressing it up as some sort of moral crusade against societal !!!!lessness convinces nobody (except perhaps for the couple of people who thanked you for your post).

As to service in America, I've always thought it might have less to do with a tipping culture than the prospect of the customer carrying a gun.

[Just previewed this the autocensor has put exclamation marks into a word it thinks is rude, it's actually recklessness with an f instead of an r]

tbs624

pacific4130 wrote: »

My point is that people who don't like working a menial minimum wage job should strive to better themselves, not seek to inflate their (fair) wage by pressuring society into tipping them.

How do you know that they aren't "striving to better themselves" whilst working for a pittance rather than being a "doley"? The OP's removal men aren't pressurising society into tipping them - its the OP's choice.

pacific4130 wrote: »

If people chose not to better themselves that is their choice, but it's not a choice I'll be prepared to subsidise. Or listen to them whinge about it for that matter.

You say you are entering med school as a mature student - presumably you'll avoid having to deal with any patient who has job-related depression? I do hope so.

Not to mention that their extra pay is invisible to the taxman.

I also hope that as you proceed through your studies you'll declare all your own freebies - those "study weekends" dressed up as CPD, inlcuding flights, hotel stays and meals, and free clocks/pens/mugs etc all provided by Big Pharma, the bottles of wine from the grateful patients and so on. You will of course declare all "sign off" fees even when paid to you in cash?

Whilst training you will no doubt be making full use of the NHS Student Bursary Scheme. Do remember the taxes paid by all those "whinging" minimum wage earners, won't you and do let all those whose services you might personally need - fixing your car, doing up your house and so on - know from the start that you view them as "spineless" and having "chucked their chances away". Ditto the workers at the hospital canteen who'll be serving up your (subsidised) meals and the HCAs who'll be clearing up the patients after your mistakes on the wards.

So yeah, I have detached myself from 'normal people', if by that you mean people who are so entrenched in the benefits culture that they can't even see the problem with holding out their hand for a subsidy. We subsidise f*cklessness in the UK now!

The concept of doing nothing with your life, getting a dead-end job, and then expecting society to subsidise your lifestyle so you can have a 50" plasma TV....

ah, a Daily Fail reader.......

Dunno about the rest of MSE readers but I'd like to think that those who want to work in the "caring professions" had a broader outlook on life.

Let's hope the OP has done some growing up before he qualifies and is let loose

lessonlearned

I have just been to my hairdresser and yes I gave her a tip.

I tip all trades and service providers, plumbers, joiners, hairdressers, removal men the lot, any shop assistant who helps me carry anything heavy to my car.

With taxi drivers - they have to pass a test, they have to help me with my luggage. If they just sit in their cab whilst I struggle with my luggage - I have a bad back - then no tip.

And yes I definitely agree with the home baking, bacon butties, endless cups of tea etc - they always go down a storm.

I have used the same trades people for years. The stories they tell me about the meanness of some of their clients is beyond belief. My joiner told me of one couple who wouldn't even let him use their guest cloakroom.:eek:

Often they get no cups of tea, whilst the houseowner makes one for themselves but doesn't see fit to make sure that "workmen" are comfortable, fed and watered.

My trades people provide me sterling service, they do a great job, charge fair rates and often go out of their way and go the "extra mile" for me. I just budget for a tip in the price I'm quoted.

Even with the tips I'm still getting a damned good rate and always excellent service. They are happy and I'm happy and I don't have to keep shopping around trying to find good people every time I need something done.

They enjoy doing work for me and will often juggle their diaries to fit me in if I need something doing quickly.

My view is look after your trades and service providers and they will look after you.

I'm now retired but when I worked as a new build sales negotiator people often brought me thank you gifts, flowers, bottles of wine, M&S vouchers. My clients valued the service I gave them and wanted to express their gratitude. I earned plenty of money and didn't "need" the extras but I really appreciated the gesture.

pawlala

I tipped two men £20 each recently, using their tools they managed to unframe a double bed and a cotbed which I couldn't do. And put them back together at the other end. Plus the new house has three sets of stairs/steps, I'm sure they were knackered at the end of the day!

tbs624

pacific4130 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Holy f*ck, you really don't have a clue!

Seriously, if you know how to get a free flight, hotel, meals, freebies, subsidised meals - please pass that info on to your nearest Jnr Doc! :rotfl:

Do keep the "forces language" to yourself: you really ought to be able to articulate adequately without it.

I suggest that as a lowly early days med student you are still wet behind the ears, ie *you* "really don't have a clue" - as a starter you may find it helpful to read items such as this http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20007205.

Codes of practice notwithstanding Big Pharma knows exactly how to use its hefty marketing budgets.

As you're set against "tipping" , you won't want to earn any extra money via crem fees will you? You know, the forms that bereaved relatives *have* to have signed.....for reference for other thread readers:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/10/doctors-cremation-ash-cash

Bobsy123

@pacific4130 I'm assuming you didn't live in forces housing, use your forces discount card, didn't accept the deployment bonuses, or adventure training holidays, or worked on subsidised qualifications whilst in the mob? Those are all technically handouts, and/or bonuses of the job. I regard tips to a barman/waiter in the same light.

As a barman - who was on minimum wage for some of my jobs - I can't say enough that I didn't want to sit on my backside doing nothing. I'd be doing the courses that would make me more useful to employers, and more interesting to investors in future business plans. I don't want to work for someone else, i want to work for me.

In regards to tips - I don't expect to be tipped unless I've gone above and beyond a customers expectations, and I don't tip staff unless they've done that. Basic stuff like a cup of tea, or a bacon sarnie for someone whose been doing heavy lifting all day and got everything done? Seems a small, basic price to pay to me. Its a bonus. Do your job right, and you get it. Thats all there is to it.

I don't scrounge off the gobmint, I didn't even when I was earning barely £50-£70 a week in one of my past jobs. Minimum wage isn't a choice.... Why would someone chose to work in a job that barely covered their living costs, when you could have one that paid you £10, £15 an hour? For example, I severely doubt a private is on (Relatively) low pay out of choice!

Get real, the only people who'll scrounge are those idiots who've lived on a sink estate and live off handouts without working, or those whose parents are rich enough to subsidise them. Those who are the middle ground, work - and most work hard - to get to where we want to be if we've got any common sense. There are some who I do wonder how they have a job and manage to keep it though, I'll admit...

@jjlandlord - HMRC is far from infallible, and does make mistakes. Theres countless threads on here that show that.

girl_withno_name

The definition of tip is "a payment given for services in excess of the standard charge; gratuity" whereas a bonus is "something given or paid in addition to what is usual or expected" - sound very similar except that a tip specifically relates to services. In fact, the online thesaurus suggests "gratuity" under "bonus".

Anyway - I feel like this thread has veered off topic by quite a margin and into the lifestyle and opinions of pacific4130 ... I'm sure this isn't helping the OP or anyone else looking for general opinions on the specific topic of tipping removal men

Bobsy123

pacific4130 wrote: »

They're the trappings of a better job not a 'tip'.

The example benefits I listed (And you responded to, fair play) come as part of the package of the job which you were doing. Likewise, receiving tips from the public (At their discretion, I must point out.) in a service industry job can be seen as being part of the overall package. You are not required, nor pressured to give tips (Or shouldn't be at any rate.) If you don't want to give tips, then don't. I couldn't give two monkeys if you tipped me or not. I'll appreciate it if you do, but if you don't, then I'll hardly be glaring at you or take a tinkle in your soup.

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girl_withno_name, fair point, think its perhaps a conversation for another thread.

Think the simple answer of "yes, if they've been doing it for hours, and done a great job, then lob them a few beers or something to eat."