So how much did it cost...

Graham_Devon

A._Badger wrote: »

What is it with 'kids'? Did someone uninvent contraception?

People have kids. Always have done and always will.

That's something you will have to accept. It's hardly unique to the younger generation to have children.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

People have kids. Always have done and always will.

That's something you will have to accept. It's hardly unique to the younger generation to have children.

Why don't you ans mine and Ash's question.

Graham_Devon

ukcarper wrote: »

Why don't you ans mine and Ash's question.

It's been done to death carper, I'm sure you will agree.

If I say you and Ash are right, and myself and the rest of the younger generation basically have no manners, spend all of our money on tatt, binge drink, can't be bothered to work for our living, shouldn't have children and expect everything given to us and nod in agreement to every single one of your insults....I think we'd simply be better off.

Though I do need to exclude every one of your children, as they are all fine, upstanding citizens who are completely unique....it's everyone elses kids that are the issue.

RenovationMan

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's been done to death carper, I'm sure you will agree.

If I say you and Ash are right, and myself and the rest of the younger generation basically have no manners, spend all of our money on tatt, binge drink, can't be bothered to work for our living, shouldn't have children and expect everything given to us and nod in agreement to every single one of your insults....I think we'd simply be better off.

Though I do need to exclude every one of your children, as they are all fine, upstanding citizens who are completely unique....it's everyone elses kids that are the issue.

Instead of creating emotive invective all the time, why not answer a straight question with a straight answer?

Both Ash and ukcarper (and myself) know young people who have bought or who are buying houses. Are these just anomolies?

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's been done to death carper, I'm sure you will agree.

If I say you and Ash are right, and myself and the rest of the younger generation basically have no manners, spend all of our money on tatt, binge drink, can't be bothered to work for our living, shouldn't have children and expect everything given to us and nod in agreement to every single one of your insults....I think we'd simply be better off.

Though I do need to exclude every one of your children, as they are all fine, upstanding citizens who are completely unique....it's everyone elses kids that are the issue.

Obviously you can't and we also don't think all young people behave as you suggest as we know plenty who don't and not just our children.

ash28

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's been done to death carper, I'm sure you will agree.

If I say you and Ash are right, and myself and the rest of the younger generation basically have no manners, spend all of our money on tatt, binge drink, can't be bothered to work for our living, shouldn't have children and expect everything given to us and nod in agreement to every single one of your insults....I think we'd simply be better off.

Though I do need to exclude every one of your children, as they are all fine, upstanding citizens who are completely unique....it's everyone elses kids that are the issue.

I have never said young people don't work - they do - otherwise they wouldn't be buying property.

My own children are actually decent human beings - though they don't all own a house. When I talk about young people - I do know a lot of them - and have known most of them since they were at school.

People can and do buy property , but not all of them, one of my children rents a house, has a young family and has very little prospect of owning a house in the near future where they live. If they had delayed the children a few years they probably would have their own house now - they didn't and that's their choice. They have 3 children aged 9, 7 and 4 months. The kids are a delight and I don't imagine for a second they would change anything. His wife doesn't work. They have little in the way of savings - it takes them all their time to keep body and soul together sometimes.

We were in a similar position ourselves many years ago and it was hard to get out of rented into our own place - I know how hard it is to save when you have a young family. We got there eventually. They will at some point - if they want it enough and if they don't want it enough - then that's fine.

He works and he works hard. The reason he can't afford to buy a house at the moment is because of choices he and his wife made almost 10 years ago when they were 22.

Other young couples I know delayed the children until quite recently.

RenovationMan

ukcarper wrote: »

Obviously you can't and we also don't think all young people behave as you suggest as we know plenty who don't and not just our children.

Graham is a master 'strawman' builder. He creates an argument in his head and then goes on and on about it as though you've said it.

For example, you could say "Well, plenty of young people are prepared to tighten their belts and save hard for a house. This is pretty much what we did in our day"

and Devon will start hysterically ranting on about:

"the rest of the younger generation basically have no manners, spend all of our money on tatt, binge drink, can't be bothered to work for our living, shouldn't have children and expect everything given to us and nod in agreement to every single one of your insults"

I've turned this 'strawman' device back on him and he really, really doesn't like it. Clearly one of those people in life who can dish it out but not take it back.

ruggedtoast

A._Badger wrote: »

Toastie, you've had all the arguments and you ignore them, preferring to vent instead.

Debate with you is pointless. It's like arguing with a troll.

You haven't debated a single thing. All you seem able to do is post short ad hominem attacks.

A real keyboard warrior.

ruggedtoast

RenovationMan wrote: »

Instead of creating emotive invective all the time, why not answer a straight question with a straight answer?

Both Ash and ukcarper (and myself) know young people who have bought or who are buying houses. Are these just anomolies?

Based on the average age of a first time buyer without parental assistance now being late 30s, yes they are anomalies.

Thats the problem with using "my mate, my friend's son, bloke down the pub told me" anecdotes.

They are almost completely meaningless when presented on their own.

Percy1983

I managed to buy at 28 without parental help, I have heard rumours that my parents paid for me and/or they bailed me from a failed business, now I either have a rubbish memory or neither happened.

Anyway I did it by working hard, increasing my income, not spending £100 a weekend on booze, not owning a single 'i' product, went abroad on average every 7 years and lived with my mum and dad a little longer.

As for price comparisons, we run 2 smartphone, a landline and internet for less than a landline cost in the 70s, our 47 inch 3D TV cost less than a 20 inch B&W TV did in the 70s etc.