Preparedness for when

daz378

besides prepping while being useful, is a very good hobby , with many aspects to it, and you pursue it to the level , you feel personally comfortable with

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armyknife wrote: »

What if the S never does Hit The Fan ?

Maybe different, more complex forces are at work, sometimes re-enforcing each other at other times diminishing them, such that there never is one serious cataclysmic event ?

For many people, here and in other countries, the cataclysm has already happened, the S has already HTF. Take medical services. At our local hospital, hundreds of people are now having to wait 12-15 hours in A&E. Twelve to fifteen hours! It will get worse when the A&E in the neighbouring borough is closed.

In the Greece health service, the S HTF months ago. On this forum, 2tonsils makes a brave face of it, but see this

http://www.opendemocracy.net/dawn-foster/from-heart-attacks-to-maternal-care-human-cost-of-austerity-in-greece

When it comes to financial hardship, medical costs are hard to control. It's common, therefore for those struggling to wait until it's no longer possible to put off seeking medical attention for a trip to the hospital or the GP. Greek doctors report struggling to source the most basic equipment in many hospitals in cities. Many hospitals have reported power cuts and major staff shortages as the government seek to cut costs wherever possible as the crisis deepens and drags on, year on year. Across Greece, hospitals, pharmacies and General Practitioners are feeling the strain. Public sector workers across the country have seen pay freezes, pay cuts and commonly, months with no pay at all. As Greeks lose their jobs, are forced to go without pay, or have their pensions cut they lose their health insurance and are unable to afford health costs. The New York Times reported on some of the situations doctors in Greece are faced with, such as the doctor who was presented with a woman who, unable to afford costly breast cancer treatment, only attended hospital when her tumour had broken through the skin.

armyknife wrote: »

isn't a better response to the changes going on in the world, to make it a political one ?

I'd suggest people organising themselves into a social movement, have far more chance of affecting change or arresting what they see as what's wrong in the world, than they do as modern isolated individuals and nuclear families.

I actually think it is too late for that. We are in an endgame where the rich are already grabbing even more of what's left, in order to reinforce their own STHF arrangements; where those who have nothing are turning to desperate measures. Those of us in the middle can only do what we can to buy time to think and adapt and a slightly larger space on the cliff edge so that we are not knocked off by those falling over it.

D&DD

VJ'smum just read about your poor friend so sorry to hear that,have you looked in robert dyas they sometimes have the cookers and gas cheap.We had a family here who lost everything in a fire and no insurance and the community all stepped in with a donation no matter how small to help,thats one thing I'll say about here in a crisis they may not have much but on the whole they all pull together..

Armyknife I'm the vicechair currently and in the past have been chair of our residents assoc,I run a support group for parents of kids with special needs and my door is always open to the community for help with benefits etc..I'm also the unofficial local food bank lol

So I am a very firm believer in supporting the people in other ways but I also prep as I know we don't live in a perfect world and like it or not there are somethings we can never hope to change no matter how much we campaign etc

elaine241

Paul, Err Ahem! I think you missed one use! If the S was HTF and you thought all was lost you could go out with a smile on your face!

But true to prepper principles of being prepared you would be "safe" if the worst didnt happen!!:rotfl:

Sorry couldnt help myself!

D&DD

elaine241 wrote: »

Paul, Err Ahem! I think you missed one use! If the S was HTF and you thought all was lost you could go out with a smile on your face!

But true to prepper principles of being prepared you would be "safe" if the worst didnt happen!!:rotfl:

Sorry couldnt help myself!

*whispers* lol [STRIKE]mucky[/STRIKE] great minds think alike Elaine

ooh hows the lambing going???

2tonsils

Get involved in politics.....I wouldn't lower myself down to their level...... a big bunch of thieves working together....and that is just the Greek government where I live..don't even get me started on the European Union politicians.

The **** hit the fan here a long time ago, some of us have sunk and the others are still trying to swim on the surface. Personally I am moving to pastures new and yes, my prepping helped me a great deal. Good intentions will never set this world to rights...

elaine241

DD&D Lambing is as usual, heartbreaking sometimes and joyfull others! The cold windy weather certainly didnt help, wet but warmer maybe slightly better. We have a problem with a semi urban fox taking some of the new lambs, he is not like country foxes and has little fear coming right to the paddock next to the house. Unfortunately for him he wont be a prolem for much longer! Fox Curry anyone?

Prepping has continued slowly, I have started to build up a collection of paraffin lamps as they are pretty and functional. Candles and matches I am sure are breeding in my sideboard LOL.

After reading The Road, Last light, Afterlight, On THe Third Day etc I am wondering how many of us would actually survive. I know we would all be "best set" if there was a short term SHTF but a longer one is definately a different situation. WIth an illness/diaster situation where close family, friends etc may not survive the psychological (sp?)impact would be the most difficult for me. I have enough skills to survive in the country where I am but would I have the mental strength to carry on without my nearest and dearest? I certainly do not know the answer to it and hope I never have to find out. What do others think? Have you considered this side of survival? All the preps, food, water, skills, plans etc are no use if all you are doing is sitting with a large bottle of booze drowning your sorrows.

As I am at the moment a "stealthy prepper" it is not something I can discuss with OH, but I am wondering (being nosey) whether any of you have broached this subject /or even included it in your prepping plans.

OK just read this back and realise how depressing it is! SOOOOO to lighten the mood lets see if Pauls condom list can be hijacked into hilarity! (Sorry Paul) I have already added out with a bang!:rotfl:

ginnyknit

elaine,your post highlighted the problem I have with OH's failing health and regular meltdowns due to stress i really would struggle. Dont want to bring the thread down to misery but last night he was really bad and had to consider ringing for help. We have good provisions for food, heat, cooking, meds but its stress that will be our downfall.

Luckily the children are near and are my lifeline. Dd needed to move due to terrible damp issus and nearly moved an hour away, I was in bits for days, didnt even tell OH. Luckily the angels stepped in and found her a house in the next street to her present one so I heaved a huge sigh of relief.

I have been working on my plans the last few weeks to make sure I am battened down and just have to soldier on regardless.

MMM...fox curry??? it must be awful having to deal with foxes on top of all the other problems. hope the weather warms up for you soon.

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Foxes are becoming so confident in urban situations these days, we have a thriving population here in the heart of the village, and they are so bold it isn't unusual to see them stroll across the road or the garden in the middle of the day even when folks are out gardening. It's the same with the Roe Deer here the numbers keep increasing and the damage they do is not inconsiderable. I guess the problem is both how can you cull effectively in an urban environment and those misplaced souls who will insist in feeding the wretched things. Add to that urban foxes that are trapped and then 'humanely' released in a country area to slowly starve to death, we have a real problem don't we? Cheers Lyn x.

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