Preparedness for when

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Just been reading the news article about the low numbers of trained armed response police getting lower because no one wants to train in this area. Suggestion is that rural/coastal terrorist attacks would mean a team coming from a central depot and might be 30 miles away which would take longer than is comfortable on the congested roads today. Anyone thought about a plan to get to a local place of safety if anything kicks off in your village/locality? We're coastal and it's something I've considered as a possibility as we've a public beach and the sailing club has a pier which is accessible from the water. I assume that we'd hear gunfire from the waterfront and that would give us enough time to hop over the back fence and cross the road behind the immediate neighbours house and then down a footpath and into the woodland around the common and hide in the woods. If it was daylight we'd carry on through the woodland paths and out the other side of the common and across a road into very dense woods and hopefully be able to go to ground and that would take us a mile or so from the danger. What would you do if you couldn't stay in situ?

jk0

milasavesmoney wrote: »

http://inrtracker.com/nutrients/vitamin-k-in-tofu-firm-prepared-with-calcium-sulfate-and-magnesium-chloride-nigari-

Here's a nice page on Vit K Capella, showing some beans and herbs that have more K than a block of tofu. Soy beans are one of our main crops (US) but they are mainly GMO's. I've been trying to read about why we shouldn't eat GMO plants for health reasons and there does not seem to be much scientific evidence proving health related problems are caused by doing so. I may be looking in the wrong place, as I'm just doing internet searches.

I think my main reason is so that I'm not consuming loads of Roundup. Isn't the reason it's genetically modified so that the crop can be sprayed, but not affected?

grandma247

I read some time ago that eating beans and other pulses is good for your bones. I couldn't find the article but found another.

thriftwizard

Anyone thought about a plan to get to a local place of safety if anything kicks off in your village/locality?

Eeeek - in a word, no! I've always kind of assumed that this house is probably the safest place we can be in times of trouble; I'm not sure there'd actually be anywhere safer. Our police station is only open for about an hour a week now; there are support staff in there during office hours, but the door doesn't open & if you ring the bell you're put through to HQ 25 miles away. I can't imagine that any public gathering place would be particularly safe, and we'd have to cross open fields to get to woodland. However we're not that near the coast - 4 miles - and there are plenty of obstacles preventing anyone coming upriver.

I could hide in the garage, I suppose - it's so cluttered, no-one can ever find anything out there! But I might be in more danger from a pile of collapsing chairs...

mardatha

Up here the main worry is weather. No shelter anywhere and bare hills and moorland all around us. Some of it very high.

Karmacat

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Just been reading the news article about the low numbers of trained armed response police getting lower because no one wants to train in this area. .... What would you do if you couldn't stay in situ?

That article's shocking, isn't it

It's very unlikely my house wouldn't be safe to stay in - but if terrorist activity *does* take place outside where you live, I'm not sure nowadays that you're safer to get out and get away. Countless videos recently have shown terrorists roaming the streets for a good 20 minutes sometimes - much safer to stay inside, with the windows closed if you can. It's probably safer to go to a room that opens on the opposite side from where the attack is - glass can be pierced by bullets, and one casualty of the Bataclan in Paris was actually in his own flat at the time. He faced the building, and he was hiding out of sight of the attacks, but in the room facing the attacks - he was killed by a ricochet, sadly.

Especially on the ground floor, blinds would be drawn, all locks used, lights off, keep as quiet as possible - I'd be putting a radio to my ear to find out what was going on, or looking online at police tweets etc.

If there was something that kicked off in my town centre, I constantly practise getting out via different routes and different ends (I get quite bored otherwise, frankly!)

nuatha

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Granny Weatherwax, or Esme as I'm allowed to call her would have turned his wheels square and at the same time removed both the suspension and the cushions from his driving seat, and then turned the stretch of road he was driving over into cobbles which would magically have returned to a road that is fully tarmac'd as the ones in front of his wheels turned to cobbles.......whenever he drove his car forever and a day or two!!! she's a good 'un is Esme!!!

I suspect she wouldn't be that kind.

milasavesmoney wrote: »

Soy beans are one of our main crops (US) but they are mainly GMO's. I've been trying to read about why we shouldn't eat GMO plants for health reasons and there does not seem to be much scientific evidence proving health related problems are caused by doing so. I may be looking in the wrong place, as I'm just doing internet searches.

Health wise there probably isn't any evidence. Economically and environmentally there is a lot of evidence why GMOs are a very bad idea.

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Just been reading the news article about the low numbers of trained armed response police getting lower because no one wants to train in this area.

There's still a lot of police opposed to the idea of a permanently armed police and still quite a few who believe in a police service rather than a police force.
Personally I applaud them.

What would you do if you couldn't stay in situ?

I live in a major port, once renowned as the heroin capital of Britain. We have several armed police on routine patrols. Within 15 miles is a passenger and industrial port and an international airport as well as less well guarded coastline and airfields.
Our prepared bug out location is another coastal town, with MiL still predominantly using a wheelchair I don't intend abandoning her. Until last year we had a rural retreat however declining health made this less feasible. A broad fronted or large scale terrorist attack in this area although unlikely would mean evacuating, which won't be easy with a wheelchair.

jk0

Anyone reading this article?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-17/obama-veto-imminent-after-senate-passes-bill-would-expose-saudi-arabias-role-sept-11

More interesting perhaps is this comment which explains an awful lot: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-17/obama-veto-imminent-after-senate-passes-bill-would-expose-saudi-arabias-role-sept-11#comment-7569649

milasavesmoney

jk0 wrote: »

I think my main reason is so that I'm not consuming loads of Roundup. Isn't the reason it's genetically modified so that the crop can be sprayed, but not affected?

That is the reason I try and stay away from it. The WHO issued a recent statement saying Roundup is probably carcinogenic. I do know that the legal amounts of glyphosate residues allowed by the US Environmental Protection Agency and Health Canada have increased significantly in the last few years. Farmers are spraying Roundup again when the crop is ready in order to dry out the foliage before harvest. This means the crop has been sprayed twice and probably the allowed numbers have increased to accommodate that practice.

The Saudi government involvement has been a bone of contention (did they or didn't they) since it was learned where most of the terrorists were from. When Obama bent and kissed the Saudi king's ring (first term) so many of our hearts dropped. Politics are a nasty business!

GreyQueen

Morning all.

Lyn, I think the difficlutly of hiding in the woods (or whatever terrain) in the modern era is that heat-seeking cameras on helicopters make you very very obvious even if you're as quiet as a mouse.

You may scarper from a threat only to be caught up in the official response to the threat. At best, you could have resources tied up finding a couple of blameless pensioners hiding in the blackberry bushes whilst criminals escape, at worst, you might be injured in an armed response.

When people are hopped up on adrenaline, things can happen fast and go badly wrong - a relative of mine was fatally shot at his own flat by a cop in just such an incident in the 1980s.

I'd stay put and lay low, particularly if there was a possibility of bullets flying as Shoebox Towers is a concrete building but the rooms with windows have their outside walls mostly window, IYSWIM.

So, if in those rooms and bullets started flying outside, the sensible reaction would be to throw oneself to the floor and squirm into the room with the smallest, highest window and the largest, massiest fittings (we call them bathrooms here ).