Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

Am I the only one whose basic safety precaution is basically along the lines of "stay tuned in" - as in I thought a lot of people believe in guardian angels/guides/call it what you will - and the odd few occasions where I've been strongly aware that something was NOT a good idea (or vice-versa) I've listened and learnt and was perfectly safe. I then found out why I had/hadn't gone that particular way or avoided that particular thing or whatever-it-was later and thought "Just as well I did that/didn't do that or else x would have happened to me".

It doesn't stop me personally knowing every single little "highway and byway" I could dive off down a side alley and off to another route if need be - even though I knew (latterly) that I was at risk in my Home City:mad:, but I don't believe I am at risk in a sleepy little place that most people wont have even heard of.

So - yep...multiple stuff here:

- stay "tuned in"

- know all those little highways and byways

- I've personally got the chances rated in my head of anyone trying anything hereabouts as "Not Good" for the perpetrators if any passing Welshmen spotted them. One positive thing I've learnt is they would all pile in personally and deal with any troublemakers if they spotted them:). They'd darn soon be rugby-tackled to the ground.

moneyistooshorttomention

Just seen a bit of good news re all the Isis problems. Anonymous said they were going to do so - and they are:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323597/Activist-hackers-battle-Islamic-State-cyberspace.html

They said "Isis - we are coming to get you":). Punches air with fist at watching them do so.:T. Wishes I had the computer skills to join them - it would make my day taking down these pro-Isis websites.

Frugalsod

The real risks are deliberately overblown to allow dictatorial governments to push through things that they could never get away with normally. Now our government wants to ban encryption so that would mean no more iPhones being allowed in the country, as they have no way of adding back doors and the no more internet. All the legal streaming sites like Netflix would be struggle to stop piracy without encryption.

Also consider that in the last year that there have been more deaths from Boko Haram than ISIL. There were also lots of terrorist incidents around the world last week admittedly none as deadly as Paris yet we seem to have become bored with news of more terrorist incidents in Iraq or Lebanon rather than places we might take a city break to.

moneyistooshorttomention

So just what do you DO if you are faced with all this stuff going on personally and are fully prepared to "get them good" re people trying to disrupt our Way Of Life on the one hand and somewhat suspicious of our own darn Government on the other hand?

It ain't easy - that's for sure.

I'd love to take a good whack at those threatening our freedoms/our Way of Life on the one hand and I am determined to resist our own government taking it as an excuse to curtail things for us on the other hand.

So - I am assuming there are many of us (ie the vast majority of us probably ???????) in this position - and just what do we do to deal with Isis etc etc on the one hand and our own darn Government playing us for mugs on the other hand?

....and that is a serious question BTW....:cool:. I do think there are many of us who don't want to be dead (or much worse - injured) on the one hand but are equally determined not to be naïve (ie believing all is for the best and our own Government aren't on our side) on the other hand. Where do you "draw the line". An age-old dilemma I know - and recalls a 2,000 year old book of someone saying "What is Truth?" (seems to recall his name was Pontius Pilate in that case).

So - just how DO we determine what is Truth?

nuatha

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

So just what do you DO if you are faced with all this stuff going on personally and are fully prepared to "get them good" re people trying to disrupt our Way Of Life on the one hand and somewhat suspicious of our own darn Government on the other hand?

Given that by far the biggest threat to what you consider our way of life is from the government, which almost 37% of the country voted for - a clear majority in terms of votes cast. Its pointless railing at ISIL or any other organisation when the threat they pose to life in the UK is negligible in comparison.

moneyistooshorttomention

NO.

The biggest threat to our "way of life" is an opposing ideology (eg Isis and all that). What we have is very very valuable and way worth making darn sure we keep.

Our "way of life" is paramount imo. Quite frankly - I simply wouldn't see the point personally of trying to live with the "way of life" imposed on women in some more primitive societies than our own. I don't rate mens chances as that much better either in a more primitive society than our (Western) society. Remembers watching some men being thrown off roofs recently and thinking "Why don't they just keep quiet about that aspect of themselves?" BUT it is their life = their decision and they should not be treated that way because of it. They are entitled to feel just as safe as I expect to...

Then - we get onto how to keep our own government in check at not unnecessarily restricting our freedoms (ie also part of our "way of life" imo).

Frugalsod

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Then - we get onto how to keep our own government in check at not unnecessarily restricting our freedoms (ie also part of our "way of life" imo).

Do you really think we are at risk of becoming part of the Caliphate? I would put the odds as very low. Most people in this country are not that religious any longer, and I do not think we would tolerate having a religion imposed on us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PKRHgmHzK0

And then we start getting rid of our freedoms by proposing to ban on mobile phone encryption. Now if they thought that you were a problem there will be at least one law that you are breaking that will give them enough to go into every little detail on your life and to then lock you away for life, as they will find that you are doing something that breaks one rule or another.

Frugalsod

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Complacency is NOT a safe and sensible attitude, we can't live our lives in fear but we CAN be alert and aware of the outside possibility that it could happen, no matter how far from the capitol and no matter how unlikely it seems in prospect and be prepared to take action if it does not think Oh it's just fireworks/ a film being made. Even if it IS either of those two things I'd rather look a fool and still be alive than a dead spectator!

While I do think the risks are significantly overblown I do agree that complacency is to be avoided. Being aware of certain risks is a plus but there will be things for which we have absolutely no experience and have no way to prepare. We might get caught up in an incident when we are elderly and unable to run away or throw ourselves over a hedge to safety. So avoiding trouble in the first place is the best thing that we could do.

So keeping an eye out for things that look strange is about the best we can do. If you notice some people getting out of a car wearing what looks like suicide vests then you could film them in the hope that it will help identify any suspects and their car later, call the police to report and then to scurry away to safety. Simply being observant is a big help here. Avoiding trouble in the first place is the best prepping you could do.

moneyistooshorttomention

Yes I do think that the Caliphate could, at the least, severely influence our way of life. There would be places in our own country where women couldn't safely dress in our own way or maybe even walk around confidently/living our lives freely in our independent way we do.

Reason being - that the stronger this Caliphate gets then the more self-confident the troublemakers in our midst will be about trying to impose "their" way of life onto us.

If you've lived in Britain for, say, 30 or more years then you will know that the "communal mindset" is quite noticeably different in many ways to what it was, say, 30 years ago. I'm only in my 60s and certainly make sure I keep up with things/stay contemporary and seeing ways of thinking/living in my society being said to be "absolutely right and we must all agree that x, y, z behaviour are normal etc etc" that didn't cross our collective minds basically back 30 years back. So - even within our own "way of life" things are being pushed as the norm etc that never used to be. So I find it quite easy to see how a much more restrictive way of thinking might start pushing itself and trying to make out that its the norm and shouting you down if you remark that it isn't.

pineapple

Frugalsod wrote: »

If you notice some people getting out of a car wearing what looks like suicide vests then you could film them in the hope that it will help identify any suspects and their car later

If I was close enough to identify a suicide vest, I'd be outta there in an instant, not calmly filming them. :rotfl: