Preparedness for when

Karmacat

1Tonsil wrote: »

I am not sure if this post will show on here. Its a video taken today, with migrants from the train throwing away packs of coke and water given to them by helpers and shouting abuse and throwing things at the ladies giving out bread and food......

https://www.facebook.com/martin.gerlach1/videos/10204119888751934/

I was able to see the video, 1Tonsil - I've been reading reports that may help with the interpretation of this, though I understand it *looks* really bad. I've read (I think in the Guardian?) that it was a form of hunger protest - at being trapped, or fearing being trapped, in Hungary, when they wanted to go on to Germany, which has been saying it will welcome up to 800,000.

Karmacat

On another topic completely, an online friend of mine (together with his wife), with encyclopedic knowledge and vast experience as well, is putting his "how-to" posts, full of pictures and practical details, onto their own blog, as well as continuing to support the forums they currently post on.

This is it: http://www.englishcountrylife.com/english-country-life-blog.html

I don't have any links with him, his family or his products (apart from knowing him the way I know you lot :D:D). I can't recommend his posts highly enough: the latest is about making his own pectin, from the leftovers of his dried apple rings, which he'd posted the day before. Wasp traps, chickens for meat and egg production, you name it, they do it.

I love researching this stuff, but this family is actually living it.

armyknife

1Tonsil care to share any positive news about the refugees?

1Tonsil

Armyknife I dont have any positive news of them. Lesbos and Kos still have huge numbers arriving every night, adding to those already there. Ferries have been taking them to Athens, but yesterday they stormed the regular passenger ferry to try to get away quicker. They have wrecked the tourist season, folks are avoiding going there for a holiday and many cancellations have happened this summer. Remember that Greece has had over four hundred thousand migrants arrive so far this year....and we are already scaping the barrel to survive. Some old folks are only getting three hundred euros a month to survive and that is about to be cut again. Local services have been cut to the bone for all of us.

I have been following the reports and Hungary seems to be trying to get them on buses to take them towards Germany, but they are considering closing their borders on Sept the 15th as the situation is getting out of hand.

I can't see an answer to this at all to be honest. The winter is heading this way and Europe is likely to be hit hard by it. Something needs to be done before it sets in and more drown or start dying of the cold. Maybe we should issue them with tickets to go directly to Brussels so the EU can sort it out. They have been ignoring it long enough...

Karmacat

1Tonsil wrote: »

I can't see an answer to this at all to be honest. The winter is heading this way and Europe is likely to be hit hard by it. Something needs to be done before it sets in and more drown or start dying of the cold. Maybe we should issue them with tickets to go directly to Brussels so the EU can sort it out. They have been ignoring it long enough...

I was wondering about tourist bookings And you're right, something needs to be done before winter

I think the suggestion of tickets issued to Brussels is gaining currency, I've seen that mentioned a few times - crazy EU politicians

1Tonsil

Massive storms have hit northern Italy this afternoon. Hundreds of damaged cars, roof tops , shutters and some citizens injured. One boy was seriously injured when a giant hailstone smashed the car window he was riding in and hit him in the face. The storms are moving very slowly so still doing a lot of damage.

moneyistooshorttomention

Re the migrant crisis and I still feel torn by seeing a variety of sides on this one.

Its soon coming to a home near me - friends of mine here have done exactly what I would expect (ie from my knowledge of them) and offered a home to some refugees. Talk about divided feelings bigtime on that one.

- They are being very kind
-hope they get people who appreciate it (but myself and another friend are nervously watching developments there and wondering if it will "come back to bite them" and all their good intentions)
- ohmegawd this could help encourage a flow of refugees into the area
- there could be a positive element to this in some remoter areas of Britain in lessening problems experienced by some British incomers from other parts of Britain

My head hurts time again and roll on the referendum on our membership of the EU. Hmmm...lots of people didn't believe me that we will be voting to come out of it...:cool:.

greenbee

I have a friend whose husband is Syrian. Her sisters in law have been widowed, her brother in law was killed trying to leave the country, and her husband's best friend was shot in the street. They were unable to get their family out of the country when the problems started, and even then they didn't want to leave - Syria is their home. Now her elderly parents in law, her sisters in law and her childrens' cousins are all refugees. These are effectively 'middle class' educated professionals desperate enough to flee their homeland. They are not economic migrants. They are refugees from a situation that I doubt any of us can really comprehend, and would be hard pressed to survive.

If my friend can get her family over here I will have no hesitation in offering whatever support I can.

maryb

My own view is we should take our fair share - and that is more than it would have been if Bliar hadn't slavishly followed Dubya into destroying a nasty but stable regime in the Middle East. Just because Saddam Hussein thumbed his nose at Dubya's daddy once too often. Fifteen years of misery and counting...

My grandparents were petit bougeois/small farmers/small town professional in a country that was part of the United Kingdom when they married 99 years ago. Fast forward a mere 6 years and they took ship from Queenstown to start again in middle age with almost nothing. They were asylum seekers in what had been their own country. But they had the right of refuge here in England, worked hard, and their children made good lives for themselves. I look at the shillyshallying over the Afghan translators and feel ashamed.

armyknife

A possible SHTF scenario, say over the next couple of decades the North Altlantic Conveyor shuts down and the UK loses 30% of the heat energy it receives; How welcoming will people further south be to those of us who inevitably become climate change refugees/migrants, given how welcoming we were to refugees from the south?