Preparedness for when

AnimalTribe

GreyQueen wrote: »

Do you know if the soya in that TVP is GM free?

It doesn't say anything on the packet except that it may contain traces of wheat (and therefore gluten). I phoned the Tesco free phone helpline and they didn't have anything on their system to say that it was GM free. The guy was actually very helpful and said that because it contained wheat traces - the wheat was probably GM - so no the product is unlikely to be GM free.

Unfortunate, but I'll still be using it as I prefer it to ready mixes.

Butterfly_Brain

greenbee wrote: »

Memory Girl has a canner, so you may be able to help you out on that. I think she uses it on an ordinary gas hob.

Re. Microchips - as you say, they don't last long. They also move (as anyone who has had their pet chipped will know). As you say, there are plenty of other options out there, many of which work very well. This for example. :cool:

I don't want to be watched, biometrically scanned, have my confidential medical records shared or someone
watching what I buy.

Why is it that everyone wants you to have a passport? Is it so that you can be biometrically scanned at the cost of £100 this means that a passport is now being used as an ID card, exactly what Labour wanted to bring in and there was an outcry about it. I was born here why should I have to have a passport?

I only use cash because I don't trust the banks and you never know whos ATM is going down next!

Butterfly_Brain

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Mind you - talking about being able to get at your money and there's even worse possibilities. That being that thing that is no longer just an idea - ie microchipping people. We have all seen recent examples of excuses used to do that and I was only having a discussion earlier today with people ITRW - in which we were all agreeing that TPTB would love to be able to force microchips into us all (that we would then need to be able to get at our money even).

Now this was a group of perfectly ordinary women and we were all in agreement that we fear TPTB might have something like that lined up for everyone at some point.

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

Scary isn't it

armyknife

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

Scary isn't it

Awesome Iron Maiden song, takes me back to my youth.

moneyistooshorttomention

AnimalTribe wrote: »

It doesn't say anything on the packet except that it may contain traces of wheat (and therefore gluten). I phoned the Tesco free phone helpline and they didn't have anything on their system to say that it was GM free. The guy was actually very helpful and said that because it contained wheat traces - the wheat was probably GM - so no the product is unlikely to be GM free.

Unfortunate, but I'll still be using it as I prefer it to ready mixes.

Oh wunderbar - translate that into "Have GOT to buy organic wheat only - whether I like it or no - in order to avoid GM".

Just as well I pretty much do only buy that organically too.:(

moneyistooshorttomention

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

I don't want to be watched, biometrically scanned, have my confidential medical records shared or someone
watching what I buy.

Why is it that everyone wants you to have a passport? Is it so that you can be biometrically scanned at the cost of £100 this means that a passport is now being used as an ID card, exactly what Labour wanted to bring in and there was an outcry about it. I was born here why should I have to have a passport?

I only use cash because I don't trust the banks and you never know whos ATM is going down next!

There DOES have to be something (and I'm not quite sure what) that we all have to have like it or no - in order to distinguish between "illegals" and the rest of us. That being we have to have some way of preventing "illegals" from getting anything we can possibly help. I think a passport is as good a way as any of distinguishing. So - bar someone being able to think up a suitable alternative - then how else can we bar access to everything for illegals?

Frugalsod

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

There DOES have to be something (and I'm not quite sure what) that we all have to have like it or no - in order to distinguish between "illegals" and the rest of us. That being we have to have some way of preventing "illegals" from getting anything we can possibly help. I think a passport is as good a way as any of distinguishing. So - bar someone being able to think up a suitable alternative - then how else can we bar access to everything for illegals?

The problem is that the UK has been made up of foreigners for a very long time. So if you want to restrict access to services to the indigenous Brits you might find most of us would be excluded. Even Margaret Thatcher had Viking ancestry so boot out her decedents to Denmark. The Royal family are German so off they go as well. Many Aristocrats might be French or Viking, so off they go. There really would be very few who could have a pure indigenous background.

Passports are a relatively modern for most people as we simply did not travel very far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport

So many foreigners arrived in the period up to the First World War without passports so what do you do about anyone descended from them?

Also with many government computers being linked up already there really is no need for such system. You will probably have files with doctors schools and councils long before you need a passport.

[Deleted User]

Been reading the pros and cons of prepping to Bug In or to Bug Out in the UK, lots of folks seem to be intending to head west into Cornwall and Wales but without having a specific venue to head for. I'm not sure that the folks already there would take kindly to that. Bugging in seems to be the most likely thing most folks are contemplating in the UK, what are everyones thoughts on either option?

I have enough here to see us through maybe 6 months if we are not damaged (property or us!) and if that was through the winter months we'd be able to grow enough to see us through the spring and summer. If the 6 months were the spring and summer I'd maybe be able to squirrel away enough to see us through the autumn and winter but what shape we'd be in after a year is questionable. Working on the assumption that business as normal was a thing long gone and not likely to return in a hurry how would you all cope in the second year of a situation that changed society as we know it irrevocably?

Frugalsod

I do not think such an extreme situation would occur overnight. Any such crisis will develop over weeks, even if it were a war, there would be months of build up. During which time you could seriously over stock for any problem and develop any solutions that might get you through.

My preference would be to bug in and sit it out. I will be surrounded by everything i own so would be able to lead as normal a life as possible. The situation of bugging out would be beyond most people and then knowing what to take for what could be forever. Even those with the money to buy a bunker are actually bugging in, but in a specialised location. The other problem that you have overlooked is that when starvation is an issue you will find it hard to protect your crops from the masses, so you might not make it to a second year.

Barring war I suspect that what will be the most likely outcome will be a steady drop in income and more and more people entering poverty like in Greece. Remember UK wages peaked in 2003 for most of us. So imagine another two more decades of what we have just experienced to become the norm.

Longer term climate change will destroy what we call society unless there is drastic change in our way of life.

[Deleted User]

My thinking is that if enough people were still here in the village we could pool resources (it IS that kind of village) and as a larger group be more robust in ourselves and have a better chance of deterring others from trying to take what we have accumulated. I may be being naive in thinking that adversity would bring us together as a group rather than fragmenting us into single family units all doing our own defence/providing as I think that the group rather than the individual would have a much better chance of survival in the long term.