Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

Thank you Perplexed Pineapple - you read what I'd actually written and my concerns (ie our secular liberal based-on-Christianity "way of life").

[Deleted User]

Christianity was never liberal, it's moral and upright, there may be forgiveness for sins but atonement and pennance is required along with amendment of ways if you have transgressed and there are sensible rules to live by which are mostly ignored these days . Only in western culture do you have the remove from religious to civil society, there are no brakes in that and it's no wonder there are the problems existing in the west today. I would hate very much to live in a society that was entirely run by the religious powers and circumscribed to the tiniest detail, but I hate the over liberal attitude that prevails today with it's lack of morals, lack of respectability and lack of humanity to man.

jk0

I thought this article, and the comments that follow it might interest you guys:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/analysis-u-turn-if-you-want-to-neoliberalism-is-for-burning/

moneyistooshorttomention

On a positive note and I'm actually quite impressed by this:

http://gov.wales/legislation/programme/assemblybills/future-generations/?lang=en

or what I personally would paraphrase and call the "Unto the 7th Generation Act" (as per the American Indian idea of taking responsibility for your decisions affecting up to the 7th generation after your own).

:T and I shall be interested to see how this pans out in practice.

EDIT: Just googled and apparently a "generation" is deemed to be 25 years worth - so unto the 7th generation would be 175 years. Impressed - as I thought I was thinking long-term to be thinking ahead by about 50 years.

mardatha

Anything extreme is lethal, whether its religion or marxism or new age hippyism. The problem is that so many people have no common sense.

Frugalsod

jk0 wrote: »

I thought this article, and the comments that follow it might interest you guys:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/analysis-u-turn-if-you-want-to-neoliberalism-is-for-burning/

If you read the comments you will see that there are solutions such as barter so stocking up on tradable items like toilet paper and detergents could be useful.

I suspect that alternative currencies like bit coin might do well but the risks of theft and fraud are too high for me to consider right now. There will be new barter currencies developed just like the drug trade in the US adopted Tide as a form of payment. So shoplifting could increase. While you might not have any involvement in the drug trade you know that you will be able to trade it to someone who might.

I also think that TPTB really have no idea about what is going on out in the real world. Something like 50 to 60% of US citizens are considered sub prime, so basically broke. 40% of all US citizens have such volatile incomes, changing by as much as 30% a month that they really do not have the resources to go out shopping. So if TPTB think that we are all hoarding cash waiting for a better deal then they will have a serious collapse to deal with when their policies fail.

Remember that the real reason for rushing to a cashless society is that it allows TPTB to make negative interest rates effective. If you had a cash option you would simply take your money out and hold on to it. As negative interest rates would shrink your money over time. Cash will actually increase in value as deflation would make it more valuable.

What I suspect will happen is that people will ignore the demands to hand in all cash and a new cash economy will develop completely behind closed doors. Cash will become even more valuable and what might cost you £100 of electronic money might only cost £80 of real money. As the police start seizing money what is left will only get more valuable and so as the governments continue to debase the currency the cash side will become ever more valuable.

Remember that these changes are to divert attention away from solutions that really will work and fix the crisis, like a return to higher progressive income taxes, capital gains taxes at higher levels and an end to tax abuses by companies.

Frugalsod

mardatha wrote: »

Anything extreme is lethal, whether its religion or marxism or new age hippyism. The problem is that so many people have no common sense.

Clearly not a fan of extreme ironing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ironing

ivyleaf

jk0 wrote: »

I thought this article, and the comments that follow it might interest you guys:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/analysis-u-turn-if-you-want-to-neoliberalism-is-for-burning/

I have no idea what neoliberalism is. Nor, while i think of it, do I know what "neocons" are - neo-conservatives, I do know that, but I don't know what they are. It seems to be one of those expressions that the media simply assume everyone knows about.

nuatha

ivyleaf wrote: »

I have no idea what neoliberalism is. Nor, while i think of it, do I know what "neocons" are - neo-conservatives, I do know that, but I don't know what they are. It seems to be one of those expressions that the media simply assume everyone knows about.

It tends to be a fairly sloppy usage - neo, from the Greek for young, gets used for new, for next generation version, for something akin to, and for revived/revivalist.

The media and academia meets Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty. ('When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.').

Which makes defining any term using the prefix even more slippy.

[Deleted User]

Stock up on chocolate, tea and coffee I reckon in a barter society they'd be worth having in quantity, certainly tea would be the thing I missed most if it wasn't readily available to buy.