Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

Crochet_Teapot wrote: »

One thing that a lot of people would really struggle with in a real SHTF situation is medication.

Simple infections can turn deadly without antibiotics and there are a huge number of people who rely on medication to keep them alive (asthma, heart problems, diabetes etc) and others who rely on medication to maintain a decent quality of life (antidepressants, etc etc)

I've been very curious for some time as to how many people are reliant on medical drugs/etc to "keep them alive".

Does anyone know any figures on this?

boultdj

True, Crochet Teapot, but a fair few of us athmatic's know nettle's are a natural anti-histamin due to program's like wartime kitchen and garden, but there is only so many plant's, and you'd have to beet, Mrs Lurchwalker to it 'cause her and Grey Queen will be having it to make string with to use in the garden's.

Frugalsod

fuddle wrote: »

I'm a b*ggar in too ivyleaf, not really in to b*ggaring off! :rotfl:

I do the best I can. don't have a lot of kit and try to make everything I do have multi purpose.

I prep my brain, keep my eye on affairs and keep quiet

To bug in what extra do you need? Okay water storage and extra rations of everything that you use, but that can be built up over time. A camping stove will allow you to use existing pots and pans to cook with and boil water on if needed.

It might be better to concentrate on a get home bag rather than a bug out bag, which could be minimised as a credit card and mobile phone. :rotfl:

Crochet_Teapot

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

I've been very curious for some time as to how many people are reliant on medical drugs/etc to "keep them alive".

Does anyone know any figures on this?

Anyone with moderate/severe asthma, diabetics, heart failure, dialysis patients, cancer patients, HIV etc. The list is endless.

Not sure on exact figures.

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Too right, you can't beat a good nettle to make cordage with and you've got to think of the runner beans haven't you?

boultdj

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Too right, you can't beat a good nettle to make cordage with and you've got to think of the runner beans haven't you?

True:D:rotfl:

fuddle

Frugalsod wrote: »

To bug in what extra do you need? Okay water storage and extra rations of everything that you use, but that can be built up over time. A camping stove will allow you to use existing pots and pans to cook with and boil water on if needed.

It might be better to concentrate on a get home bag rather than a bug out bag, which could be minimised as a credit card and mobile phone. :rotfl:

What extra do you need? People who bug in, without lots of kit, would probably think that the only thing they really need is knowledge. Ok, you've prepped and you have that camping stove but preppers who have knowledge will know what to do once the gas canisters are gone. Instinctively a bug in prepper with knowledge will be thinking how to set a fire, will get that sweet tin they use for cake storage and set about making a fire. They will know that newsprint is great for fires so could probably go stuff some toilet roll tubes with it. They could be thinking along the lines of using cotton wool, maybe dipped in vaseline as a starter or raid the Christmas dec box for dried out pine cones, maybe drizzle in melted wax. Possibly even use tumbler drier fluff and in dire circumstances know that lint from the first aid box will be useful. They might even think along the lines of setting fire to sanitary wear, noting tampons in particular would be neat and contained. Even have the idea that a t-shirt could burn if it's made with a plant based fibre. Set fire to cardboard, any cardboard and even a ball of string or a bit of natural rope would do the trick too.

Maybe the gas canisters won't ever run out but if they do

jk0

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Thought for you jk0 for the day being that there has apparently been a test run by the US Governm*nt for blocking out the unofficial news sites in California on 3 December.

The Natural News website said that if they are blocked, for instance, people will still be able to access by putting in its Internet "number" of 108.168.157.185 in the search bar, rather than typing in the website address.

Presumably this method of "getting through" any blocking will also work for other alternative news sites if there is widescale blocking of them at any point, eg Zero Hedge (a site I know you favour).

Perhaps, if you know, how to find out the relevant numbers of these news sites you could share it with us, so that we can save the "way to get through" to any that are blocked.

Of course...in the process...we are also ensuring they are less likely to be blocked in the first place, if its known we can find a way to "get through" to them anyway;)

I dare say the TPTB have already cottoned on to blocking the 'internet number' as well if need be.

However, one of the replies there shows how to get the internet number if you would like it:

For direct website access: For windows users, hit the windows key and then type cmd and hit enter. When the command prompt comes up just type:
ping yourfavoritewebsiteDOTcom and then copy the ip address that pops up. Do this for every website you frequent so you have the ip in case they take out the DNS servers.
ping naturalnewsDOTcom results in 108.168.157.185 which you can type into the browser and reach this website. If they are clogging the pipes some other way try using a vpn or socks 5 proxy and keep changing locations, if they are blocking the web server itself there is nothing you can do.

MSE appears to be 162.13.48.82

jk0

Last Saturday I bought some smoked gammon ham from our local street market deli stall. (This lady is there every week, so I might go and see her on Saturday.)

It seemed cool enough, as it was a cool day, and I took it home and had a bit in a sandwich with no ill effects. The use by date was around Xmas, so I had another bit yesterday lunchtime.

Around midnight I started getting a belly ache, and found it hard to sleep. Over the course of the night I had to 'number 2' around 5 times, but fortunately wasn't sick.

I spent the day in bed sipping water, and got up for a cup of tea around 5pm as my belly is okay now.

I think what I didn't consider is how many days that gammon had been out on the stall previously getting warm.

maryb

jk0 you could speak to the council - they have very strict regulations concerning street traders in addition to the normal food standards. If it had a use by date of Xmas, people may be buying them with the intention of using them at Christmas and that will ruin it for them if they go down with galloping gutrot.

If you have got any left, don't throw it away, they can test it and identify what it is. God forbid, it isn't e coli but that very bad outbreak a few years ago was because of bad hygiene allowing cooked meat to be contaminated by raw