Preparedness for when

COOLTRIKERCHICK

I think anything can be grown indoors, if you get the lighting right.. Just think of those illegal cannabis farms.. its the same lighting you use for reptiles...


some booger has cut down a little oak tree on some disused land by our house ( not the smallholding).. it was mis-shaped etc, but I used to collect the acorns from it, to give to our pigs.. so it looks like tree/wood steeling is starting to happen..


I would be great to have a link to what is exactly happening day by day in sierra leone, from on the ground so to speak.. not what the media wants us to know.. even though we can imagine what would happen in a lock down situation.. to actually see/read of the day to day problems, and the time scale of total melt down happening, re- food price hikes, businesses closing down, looting starting etc.. I know this is awful, but we can lean so much from this situation...As this could happen in ANY country and ANY time... I am thinking about the black death/plague in this country
I know our country is one of the best medical dervices in the world, but with our economic situation, and our NHS already at breaking point due to cuts etc.. I wonder how they would really cope in a virus situation??

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You'd have to look to yourself CTC and that's where already being prepared will make the difference between being in contact with the population and not. If you have enough stocks to last you until the outbreak is under control or has spent itself and is no longer a threat you could feasibly stay out of contact and seal yourself in your dwelling and hopefully stay safe. Remember too to wear disposable gloves when handling any post or goods that arrive at the house to make sure of safety and handwash, handwash, handwash!!!

mardatha

CTC we wouldn't cope. The CDC has deployed a team of I think they said 11 but don't quote me - for one man who is ill. Imagine what happens if a few doz were ill - they would run out of manpower fast.
The hazardous waste handling companies went on strike and only went back for a hefty rise. If only one of their staff caught this virus, then the rest would down tools permanently and refuse to handle this waste.
One of the best health care systems in the west let a man walk back out of a hospital with antibiotics, when he had Ebola. They didn't reckon on human stupidity.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

good point about the mail, I wouldn't have thought of that, I have one box of disposable gloves at the smallholding, incase of medical stuff with the pigs etc.. might be worth getting a few more boxes.. for the house, car etc..


does anyone know how long the virus lives for in the open so to speak?


Just thinking about food/products being exported from effected countries in Africa etc... extreme I know.. but it is worth knowing how long diff viruses lives for outside a host.. like bird flu, ebola and other potential deadly viruses

RAS

Ebola is fairly weak in that it is killed by soap and water or a 5% chlorine solution.

I am not sure if they know how long it stays viable when dry; HIV is killed in 30 minutes; SARS remained viable for days.

GreyQueen

Afternoon all.

Have been indulging my love of pyromania up at the lottie but there will be more to do later. Starting my autumn/ winter gardening programme.

Re ebola, it gives me the cold chills just thinking about it. I don't think anyone in the modern world has a blinking clue about how a disease with such high morbidity and mortality. The nearest we can get to imagining the horror would be to read about the Black Death.

Which I have. We would have the advantage over the medieval people in that we understand the germ theory and know that we were not being punished by God for our sins, that it was a virus. But the consequences of a disease of this nature running wild would be as devastating for us as for those people who saw 45% of their peers die horribly.

Less than a quarter of a mile from where I sit, under the centre of my city, are the plague pits. Mass graves. My city lost a huge chunk of its population to the Black Death. People were boarded into their houses to contain the plague, and they might live or they might die of plague or if surviving that, of starvation or thirst.

Some countries might unilaterally decide to close their airspace to planes from certain countries, and their ports (if they have ports). Which could mean that their own citizenry, travelling abroad for business or leisure, could be stuck overseas, with dwindling money, not knowing when quarantine might be lifted..........

RAS

mardatha wrote: »

One of the best health care systems in the west let a man walk back out of a hospital with antibiotics, when he had Ebola. They didn't reckon on human stupidity.

GIGO

Hospital officials on Thursday said Duncan was mistakenly sent home at first because of a software problem that has since been fixed, rather than human error.

In a statement, they said doctors and nurses had followed their protocols but that their computerized records on the patient did not mesh. A nurse's record of the case showed Duncan had come from Liberia, but doctors who examined him may not have had that information in their records.

So the human error was in the software design; wonder how many other people have been poorly diagnosed since it was installed?

However, when asked if he had contact with anyone who had been sick he told both the Liberian authorities and the US hospital "no."

One article suggests it was one of the nephews who rang CDC because they were concerned about the lack of concern.

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I've always got a couple of pairs of those disposable gloves with me in my first aid kit that I keep in my rucksack. DD2 insisted on it and said they're trained to never ever touch patients unless they are wearing protection if there is the slightest chance of a blood injury or an infectious disease. It's part of general routine now to carry a pair with me when I'm out and about along with my survival tin, I don't think survival situations can only be guaranteed to happen when you're conveniently at home with all your preps and I'd hate to need my equipment in the tin and find it back at home on a shelf when I am in a situation far away. Guess it just comes under the heading of being prepared.

Frugalsod

mardatha wrote: »

One of the best health care systems in the west let a man walk back out of a hospital with antibiotics, when he had Ebola. They didn't reckon on human stupidity.

It is only the best if you can afford it. In terms of health outcomes it has much worse outcomes than the NHS. Yet out leaders want to follow this bad business model. :mad:

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COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

but it is worth knowing how long diff viruses lives for outside a host.. like bird flu, ebola and other potential deadly viruses

Ebola can survive outside the body for about 1 to 2 days, but bear in mind that transmission is via physical contact with bodily fluids.