How should I go about asking permission for a second job? read before posting.

dizzyrascal

SunnySusie wrote: »

Looking through the old thread I can see some very unhelpful and patronising posts. I don't see why this topic is particularly undeserving of discussion!

I would be interested to hear other's thoughts on this. Perhaps the forum police could do us the courtesy of staying out of the thread, I think your point has been made.

It is very kind of you to spend the time posting an answer to Brett but unfortunately Brett has a habit of posting constantly and asking the same questions over and over again.
He is a bit of a forum phenomenon (to say the least)
If you look back through his posts you will see that there is a theme.
Had it been anyone else posting then the answers would have been more constructive.

Sambucus_Nigra

dizzyrascal wrote: »

It is very kind of you to spend the time posting an answer to Brett but unfortunately Brett has a habit of posting constantly and asking the same questions over and over again.
He is a bit of a forum phenomenon (to say the least)
If you look back through his posts you will see that there is a theme.
Had it been anyone else posting then the answers would have been more constructive.

What is more constructive than suggestions of actual words to say to the boss?

I'm intrigued.

dizzyrascal

You know what I mean!
But I agree. Despite the history, Brett has been given some very constructive advice.

Evilm

Dear Boss,

I want to take on a second job with X company doing X. This will not conflict with my role with (current firm) and priority will be given to (current firms shifts over ones assigned to me by X company.

Please confirm in writing your acceptance or otherwise of this.

Thanks,

Brett.

jc808

Hi boss

Can I take a second job? Please advise
Thanks

And just to preempt:

Hi boss

I have my first day with my second job tomorrow.
Should I wear the blue or white shirt?

Please advise

MissSarah1972

BrettMorganxD wrote: »

I have alot of thing I want, and I do do overtime at my current job but would like a side job of around 20 hours per week.

My contract says not to take on a second job without companys expressed consent.

But atm I am saving for a house deposit, taking driving lessons then i will need a car insurance tax etc etc plus all living costs.

how should i go about asking the area manager as it is him making decisions not the line manager.

As long as it does not affect your work do companys usually object

Are you a grown up? Seriously?

You ask your boss either in person or via email

Hi XXXXX
When you have a spare 5 minutes could I have a chat
Regards
Brett


Then you meet and say you would like to accept or take a 2nd job and its such and such working for xxxxx xxxxx etc and would that be ok


easy!

MissSarah1972

SunnySusie wrote: »

OP could talk to other colleagues to see if they have a second job. Sound out if the HR department is particularly prescriptive in enforcement. In my current role HR are fairly easy going and would only step in if a problem arose from the situation.

And I guess a question for a lawyer is, how enforceable is this anyway? Don't we have a right to work? Is it similar to the unenforceable contracts that state you can't go and work for a competitor (which would kill a free employment market instantly if enforceable).

.

I am sure what one person is doing will not be the same for any others as if caught working a 2nd job you can not say 'oh John has a 2nd job and you never knew about that'

Yes may think you have the right to a second job but not if the contract says you have to ask before you take one.

There may be a conflict of interest or it may affect your current one etc. Lots of reasons.

BrettMorganxD

SunnySusie wrote: »

Looking through the old thread I can see some very unhelpful and patronising posts. I don't see why this topic is particularly undeserving of discussion!

Anyway, self appointed forum police aside, I'll chip in with my own thoughts.

The last placed I worked in had this clause in, but it was not enforced and seemed like it was just in there for historical reasons (ie a past HR jobsworth thought it was necessary to cover their but). A number of my colleagues openly had second incomes and in one case they went full time to the other job!!

OP could talk to other colleagues to see if they have a second job. Sound out if the HR department is particularly prescriptive in enforcement. In my current role HR are fairly easy going and would only step in if a problem arose from the situation.

And I guess a question for a lawyer is, how enforceable is this anyway? Don't we have a right to work? Is it similar to the unenforceable contracts that state you can't go and work for a competitor (which would kill a free employment market instantly if enforceable).

And finally, what is the nature of your role? In my position they would need a good reason to fire me as it would give them a big recruitment headache. I earn extra income in my own time and consider this my own business (well, I share with the tax man, but not work!). There would need to be a serious conflict of interest before it was worth them taking action. And I would also be highly valuable to my company's competitors, so it would be a bit silly of them to lose me over something like this if it had no real impact.

Perhaps it depends on what the second job is? A teacher friend of mine is paid to watch football matches at the weekend (talent scout), but I think there are some second jobs that would not be appropriate!!

I would be interested to hear other's thoughts on this. Perhaps the forum police could do us the courtesy of staying out of the thread, I think your point has been made.

Thank you for the advice susie .

My manager did say "it is ok being on an agency (when i was on one) as long as you don't call in sick to do agency shifts, like some staff have been known to do in the past"

However, it is not agency work I wish to do as with saving for a house deposit, and when I eventually come to buy, I would like it to be a permanent set hours (flexible around my current job I.e I give the days I can work) but set hours so I can use it to top up the qualifying income for a mortgage

emsywoo123

Have you actually found another job Brett?

BrettMorganxD

emsywoo123 wrote: »

Have you actually found another job Brett?

No I need to know if I am allowed one first, don' I.