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Azari

art_for_arts_sake wrote: »

I must say I'm a little shocked by the replies, colin13. I'm a bit of a pedant myself, but most of us on here are a little more tolerant of other people's shortcomings, so don't let 'em get to you.

No one has been nasty since the OP explained why he posted as he did.

I would recommend that anyone who has a genuine reason for posting with a lot of errors (spelling checkers are not a complete solution for those suffering with dyslexia or other problems) adds something to their signature to explain.

Then, in the unlikely event that anyone made a derogatory comment, they would be quickly brought to book by other forum members.

Otherwise they will continue to be unfairly lumped in together with those too stupid or lazy to post using reasonable English.

aliasojo

Azari wrote: »

Otherwise they will continue to be unfairly lumped in together with those too stupid or lazy to post using reasonable English.

Thing is though, there is no requirement for proper english or good grammar, to post on MSE. So all those who post denigrating others who don't post 'properly' are only projecting their own desire to see accuracy and considering they are *only* a bog standard poster like anyone else, then perhaps they are too far up their own @asses when considering their own levels of importance and their wants.

Why should a poster have to excuse themselves in advance for not writing accurately, simply to appease those who really need to work on their levels of tolerance?

The site was designed to help all people, not just well educated people.

Is it helpful to ignore the question asked by an OP and instead castigate them for their grammar? I think not.

Azari

aliasojo wrote: »

Thing is though, there is no requirement for proper english or good grammar, to post on MSE. So all those who post denigrating others who don't post 'properly' are only projecting their own desire to see accuracy and considering they are *only* a bog standard poster like anyone else, then perhaps they are too far up their own @asses when considering their own levels of importance and their wants.

As much as people are entitled to post using incorrect spelling, grammar, and punctuation others are entitled to post complaining about it.

You can't have it both ways.

Why should a poster have to excuse themselves in advance for not writing accurately, simply to appease those who really need to work on their levels of tolerance?

So that people who have genuine problems are not thought stupid or ignorant by those who read their posts. A lot of people will never post in complaint but may well simply ignore people who appear not to be bothered with reasonably well written posts.

It is not fair to them to have their thoughts ignored or disregarded because they appear to be inconsiderate or stupid.

Is it helpful to ignore the question asked by an OP and instead castigate them for their grammar? I think not.

Now here you give a perfect demonstration of the value of clear, well written posts. It seems that the OP's post has confused you to the extent that you thought he was asking a question. He wasn't.

Lip_Stick

aliasojo wrote: »

Thing is though, there is no requirement for proper english or good grammar, to post on MSE. So all those who post denigrating others who don't post 'properly' are only projecting their own desire to see accuracy and considering they are *only* a bog standard poster like anyone else, then perhaps they are too far up their own @asses when considering their own levels of importance and their wants.

Why should a poster have to excuse themselves in advance for not writing accurately, simply to appease those who really need to work on their levels of tolerance?

The site was designed to help all people, not just well educated people.

Is it helpful to ignore the question asked by an OP and instead castigate them for their grammar? I think not.

Completely agree.

art_for_arts_sake

Azari wrote: »

No one has been nasty since the OP explained why he posted as he did...
...otherwise they will continue to be unfairly lumped in together with those too stupid or lazy to post using reasonable English.

I edited my original post which included a reply to Tina20 as I realised it attacked her and not the issue. It would have been nice to have seen an apology, but I doubt we'll see one. I didn't see Bear Grills' original comment, which he obviously thought better of.

As a parent of an adult with a learning disability I'm only too aware how quick people are to judge. As Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does," i.e. judge people by their actions, not their words.

aliasojo

Azari wrote: »

As much as people are entitled to post using incorrect spelling, grammar, and punctuation others are entitled to post complaining about it.

Ah well that's the difference between us. I believe that basic manners mean one should not highlight another person's level of ability with regard to reading/writing if it's less than optimal (for whatever reason).

So that people who have genuine problems are not thought stupid or ignorant by those who read their posts. A lot of people will never post in complaint but may well simply ignore people who appear not to be bothered with reasonably well written posts.

It is not fair to them to have their thoughts ignored or disregarded because they appear to be inconsiderate or stupid.

I think you have a point here. Sadly.


Now here you give a perfect demonstration of the value of clear, well written posts. It seems that the OP's post has confused you to the extent that you thought he was asking a question. He wasn't.

Actually it is you who is confused.

If you check my post,you'll see I wrote 'an' OP. As in any OP generally. If I was referring to this OP, I would have written 'the'.

Adding the required 10 character rubbish.........

Dave_C_2

art_for_arts_sake wrote: »

The one you can't see, the ABC with a tick under, is the second link on your list, which asks if you want to install IESpell. It appears on the quick reply in my version of Internet Explorer, so it may be you're using a different browser.

That explains it, I use Firefox almost exclusively, so I didn't install IEspell.

I must say I'm a little shocked by the replies, colin13. I'm a bit of a pedant myself, but most of us on here are a little more tolerant of other people's shortcomings, so don't let 'em get to you.

I too am a lot of a pedant, but a quick look at Colin's profile explained his posting style, so I kept quiet. Good move Colin.:)

Note to self - update profile.

Dave

Azari

aliasojo wrote: »

I believe that basic manners mean one should not highlight another person's flaws.

It is basic good manners to communicate in as clear a manner as you are reasonably able.

It is inconsiderate to post with a collection of errors in grammar, spelling, and punctuation if you are capable of posting properly.

It should be self evident that it is inconsiderate to force every person who reads your post to cope with the errors just to save yourself a few seconds.

aliasojo wrote: »

"It is not fair to them to have their thoughts ignored or disregarded because they appear to be inconsiderate or stupid."

I think you have a point here. Sadly.

It may make you sad but it is all but unavoidable.

There is a level of correlation between the clarity of thought and the clarity of communication and people are aware of that correlation, consciously or unconsciously.

If you check my post,you'll see I wrote 'an' OP. As in any OP generally. If I was referring to this OP, I would have written 'the'.

Touche*

(*Please forgive the unaccented 'e'. The site replaces the correct character with an exclamation mark.)

Sheldon_Cooper

aliasojo wrote: »

Thing is though, there is no requirement for proper english or good grammar, to post on MSE. So all those who post denigrating others who don't post 'properly' are only projecting their own desire to see accuracy and considering they are *only* a bog standard poster like anyone else, then perhaps they are too far up their own @asses when considering their own levels of importance and their wants.

Can you explain something to me?

If someone posts that a first class stamp costs 12p or that the capital of Russia is St. Petersburg, they will quickly be corrected by one or more posters and nobody will moan about that. Yet if someone corrects a poster who keeps using "your" in place of "you're", a vociferous minority will get very antsy, whine incessantly about it, and try to pretend that it is the complainant at fault. Why the difference?

Some cynic once said it all came about when English teachers realised that it was a lot easier to teach children to shout people down when they complained about poor English than it was to teach them to write properly.

aliasojo

Sheldon_Cooper wrote: »

Can you explain something to me?

If someone posts that a first class stamp costs 12p or that the capital of Russia is St. Petersburg, they will quickly be corrected by one or more posters and nobody will moan about that. Yet if someone corrects a poster who keeps using "your" in place of "you're", a vociferous minority will get very antsy, whine incessantly about it, and try to pretend that it is the complainant at fault. Why the difference?

Some cynic once said it all came about when English teachers realised that it was a lot easier to teach children to shout people down when they complained about poor English than it was to teach them to write properly.

I'm a bit surprised you don't see a difference between the two.

The first is wrong information which if passed on, could be important and could have an ensuing consequence. No-one would be offended by being corrected in that instance. It's black and white.

The second is less black and white and the main consequence of poor grammar being passed on (assuming the post is able to be understood) is simply annoyance to to others. It doesn't matter if the subject matter is clear enough, or the point being made is understandable, some people will still have a go because the post isn't grammatically correct and it's more important to pick on the writer than it is to answer or reply in a manner relevant to the topic.

Often, it's not even constructive criticism that's offered, it's simply a dismissive dig.

There are many illiterate adults in society, many who struggle with spelling, many who simply are not well rounded in the correct use of punctuation, many who are dyslexic or have learning difficulties.

There are also those who simply don't feel the need to strive for total accuracy on an internet forum.

But none of these people are 'allowed' to post in a manner they choose, as some pedant will come along and tell them they must post in a more accurate way because the pedant doesn't like it if they don't.

It's ironic that people are more concerned about poor spelling or grammar than they are rudeness.

I trust that answers your question but if not then forgive me if I don't reply again, I don't see the point in further discussion tbh.