driving licence

worldwheeler

Ultrasonic wrote: »

As Normal Castle posted above I wouldn't be certain that the paper licence is still valid given that a photocard licence has been issued.

What caused you to get a photocard licence in the first place? If it was some change of details like your address then presumably this won't be correct on the paper licence?

I got the photo licence because I was stupid back then and believed the crud government tell you. But I never surrendered the old licence. The old licence has the correct address on it.

worldwheeler

Rover_Driver wrote: »

As you have a photo licence, it replaces the the paper one which would no longer be valid

The photo licence will also be valid until 2038, it is only the photograph that is required to be updated every 10 years

How can the licence be valid if the paper work that comes with the renewal states that if it is not renewed the DVLA may fine you £1000? This is fee gathering with menaces. The photocard has valid from and until, a 10 year period.

Rover_Driver

worldwheeler wrote: »

How can the licence be valid if the paper work that comes with the renewal states that if it is not renewed the DVLA may fine you £1000? This is fee gathering with menaces. The photocard has valid from and until, a 10 year period.

It is the offence of not updating the photograph, contrary to s.99,2A, Road Traffic Act 1988, which carries a maximum penalty of £1000.
It doesn't affect your entitlement to drive, that will expire in 2038.

Sgt_Pepper_2

worldwheeler wrote: »

I got the photo licence because I was stupid back then and believed the crud government tell you. But I never surrendered the old licence. The old licence has the correct address on it.

Do they both have the same driver number?

If so you must have reported the old one lost or stolen.

Aretnap

Rover_Driver wrote: »

It is the offence of not updating the photograph, contrary to s.99,2A, Road Traffic Act 1988, which carries a maximum penalty of £1000.
It doesn't affect your entitlement to drive, that will expire in 2038.

You're correct that that the fact that the photo has expired doesn't affect your entitlement to drive (it's the same offence as failing to update your address when you move house), however plenty of people, including some police officers it seems, don't know this, and think that you're driving unlicensed, and by implication uninsured. I've heard a fair few stories of people with expired photocards having had their cars seized, so driving with one has the potential to cause a lot more than £20 worth of hassle, setting aside the fact that you commit an offence by not updating it.

worldwheeler

Aretnap wrote: »

You're correct that that the fact that the photo has expired doesn't affect your entitlement to drive (it's the same offence as failing to update your address when you move house), however plenty of people, including some police officers it seems, don't know this, and think that you're driving unlicensed, and by implication uninsured. I've heard a fair few stories of people with expired photocards having had their cars seized, so driving with one has the potential to cause a lot more than £20 worth of hassle, setting aside the fact that you commit an offence by not updating it.

Is this an offence in common law or a breach of the policies of the DVLA corporation? Aren't we policed by consent and if so you have to agree to the policy for it to be binding on you? With regard to seizure of property I understood that under the Magna Carta a private individual's property can not be seized for anything that is not a crime in common law? Or maybe, my car and your car, do not belong to us. We are merely keepers of the vehicle as the registry document gives ownership to the DVLA?

Sgt_Pepper_2

worldwheeler wrote: »

Is this an offence in common law or a breach of the policies of the DVLA corporation? Aren't we policed by consent and if so you have to agree to the policy for it to be binding on you? With regard to seizure of property I understood that under the Magna Carta a private individual's property can not be seized for anything that is not a crime in common law? Or maybe, my car and your car, do not belong to us. We are merely keepers of the vehicle as the registry document gives ownership to the DVLA?

Vax the second.

AnythingButChardonnay

Old paper is fine until your 70th birthday or 19th January 2033, whichever is sooner.

You're also supposed to get a photocard if you change address.

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable.

Rover_Driver

AnythingButChardonnay wrote: »

Old paper is fine until your 70th birthday or 19th January 2033, whichever is sooner.

You're also supposed to get a photocard if you change address.

Otherwise, perfectly acceptable.

It is, unless you have replaced the paper licence with a later photo licence (as the OP has), in which case the paper one will no longer be valid.

Aretnap

worldwheeler wrote: »

Is this an offence in common law or a breach of the policies of the DVLA corporation? Aren't we policed by consent and if so you have to agree to the policy for it to be binding on you? With regard to seizure of property I understood that under the Magna Carta a private individual's property can not be seized for anything that is not a crime in common law? Or maybe, my car and your car, do not belong to us. We are merely keepers of the vehicle as the registry document gives ownership to the DVLA?

I really don't know where to start. Utter !!!!!!!! from start to finish. Don't believe the drivel you read on Freeman sites.