Cyclist hit by lorry

Obukit

As a cyclist myself I'd say it's the cyclists fault. As a cyclist, you KNOW not to undertake lorries. It's highly unlikely the driver ever saw the cyclist.

mikey72

kizkiz wrote: »

It would seem to be a prime example of the driver being at fault, but the cyclist putting himself in a really dangerous position.
Too many people, cyclists and drivers, have no concept of defensive driving and planning ahead

I can't really see how it's the drivers fault if he couldn't see him. I don't even put my car where he was riding. When I overtake them on the right, I always hang back until there is a clear space at the front of them, then accelerate past, until I'm clear and visible in the front. I never drive alongside.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

i cant see why people have pitted blame on the lorry driver.

its obvious to me the cyclist is at fault.

im no truck driver, but if theres a blind spot on a car even the smallest of cars, then there gunna be a pretty huge one on an artic as the vid proves with the lorry and cyclists.

the cyclists assumed, that because he got about half of a foot infront of the lorry the driver saw him and continued to just cut him off. when all the lorry driver was doing was following the road.

when the cyclist was riding down the line of wating cars in the lane i though OH here we go the mopeds moved to over take on the right and everyone is going to try and keep an eye on where they are their going to forget he was even there.

if the truck driver had a footwell window i suppose it could be a 50/50 as the rider would be in that window and noticeable but as there isnt it pit the blame on the rider.

dacouch

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

i cant see why people have pitted blame on the lorry driver.

its obvious to me the cyclist is at fault.

im no truck driver, but if theres a blind spot on a car even the smallest of cars, then there gunna be a pretty huge one on an artic as the vid proves with the lorry and cyclists.

the cyclists assumed, that because he got about half of a foot infront of the lorry the driver saw him and continued to just cut him off. when all the lorry driver was doing was following the road.

when the cyclist was riding down the line of wating cars in the lane i though OH here we go the mopeds moved to over take on the right and everyone is going to try and keep an eye on where they are their going to forget he was even there.

if the truck driver had a footwell window i suppose it could be a 50/50 as the rider would be in that window and noticeable but as there isnt it pit the blame on the rider.

If the cyclist pursues the matter, he will receive between 40% and 100% of his injury claim / losses.

Cash-Strapped.T32

I'm a motorbiker & that cyclist scared the cr** out of me.

No checks, no idea what was going off around him, ugh.. [/shudder]

Plenty of drivers can be idiots (just today I was overtaken on the right by a minicab in heavy rain, while I was indicating right, and positioned nearly on the centre-line moving at nearly 30mph in a 30 area, in order to take a right-hander that was coming up; wearing the biggest hi-vis bomber jacket you can imagine) - But in this case I'd have to agree that it's nearly all on the cyclist here.

Undertaking something as big & wide as a truck is just - well, not asking for it, because no-one ever asks for it - but it's certainly a good way to put yourself under someone elses' wheels..

I know the Lawnet is a regular cyclist so fair-play to him for raising this & showing us all what can so easily happen, as there are many vids out there where the driver(s) are worse..

thelawnet

Cash-Strapped.T32 wrote: »

I know the Lawnet is a regular cyclist so fair-play to him for raising this & showing us all what can so easily happen, as there are many vids out there where the driver(s) are worse..

My wife was in a bad mood today, she rode her bike to school to pick the kids up, turning left from major to minor, and a BMW coming from the other direction turning into the same road cut her up on what is a wide corner and forced her to brake (she had right of way obviously)

Parent at the same school actually, but she couldn't work out who it was.

Anyway, I told her 'Did you signal?'

She said 'Yes'

I said 'Don't [if turning left], you're just inviting them to cut you up. And it's better to take the corner late, don't turn early'.

Streetview here:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=chobham+road,+woking&hl=en&ll=51.325728,-0.561874&spn=0.010445,0.019312&sll=51.516516,-0.180911&sspn=0.020804,0.038624&hnear=Chobham+Rd,+Woking,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.325728,-0.561874&panoid=3Ii8fdwR0zTfACNLDPwLnw&cbp=12,320.08,,0,9.2
A car was parked on the minor road on the left hand side that is not in the streetview.

By turning in at the beginning of the dashed lines, she allows a car coming from the other direction to cut her up on the corner. If she turns much closer to the bollards (or whatever they are called), that won't happen.

She says that she's not confident to dictate to drivers but I said you have to. Nobody is going to run you down if you are in the middle of the road. If you are riding along in the gutter that's much more likely.

The cyclist in this video has good speed but he is way too passive and basically in a world of his own, not acting defensively in response to hazards. He wants compensation from the truck driver, and it seems that this is due since the coach driver's defence is apparently that the cyclist swerved to avoid a drain, which is basically an admission of guilt on their part, since you should no way be overtaking anyone so close that a slight swerve would cause you to hit them. Even so, compensation is not much use when you're a vegetable, or dead.

thescouselander

100% the truck drivers fault. The truck hit the cyclist from behind, technically it's not the cyclists issue that the truck might have had a blind spot - that is for the owners and driver of the truck so sort out so they don't hit anything.

Back to reality though - as a cyclist I stay as far away as possible from big vehicles like this. I think I would have stayed behind the truck in this scenario as these sorts of accidents are all to common and often fatal.

mikey72

thescouselander wrote: »

100% the truck drivers fault. The truck hit the cyclist from behind, technically it's not the cyclists issue that the truck might have had a blind spot - that is for the owners and driver of the truck so sort out so they don't hit anything.

Back to reality though - as a cyclist I stay as far away as possible from big vehicles like this. I think I would have stayed behind the truck in this scenario as these sorts of accidents are all to common and often fatal.

How do you know that? You don't see the impact, you have no idea where the truck is. All you know is it's not in front. In fact the cyclist may just have fallen off from that vdeo, without the truck hitting him. I find it amazing he can undertake a truck, closer than anyone will any sense will ever do, then not even give it a glance to see where it is. That would suggest either he's completely insane, or he knows, because it's next to him the whole time, and he never makes it past.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

i believe he didnt make it fully past that truck, and was still at his blind side, the truck driver had to contend with the moped riders on his right side when he was stationary, the road widens near point of impact, but just ahead is a traffic island, for all we know the lorry driver coupled with the cyclist in his blindspot was only trying to keep up with traffic and position himself better on the road. if he was to give a wide birth for the rider he would have took out a traffic island, the rider was also coming up to the drain near the curb of the busstop and you see he moves out slightly to not go into it, the rider was best off using the curb where he could,and it doesnt look as if the driver hit-hit him, the more i look at the footage i reckon reflected off the side of hit when the truck was positioning himself better and the rider moving out for the drain unable to control his bike due to the speed and shock of oh carp a lorry! where did that come from moment because it seems the guy is riding but not aware of dangers to him.

three people that are with me agree that a second before impact he was looking at the drain and moved out to avoid it thus colliding with the lorry he had ample enough time to go in the bust stop before impact.

mikey72

The more I watch it, the less convinced I become that there was actually an "impact". As the truck goes past, there is a slight wobble, then he falls off. I would expect at least the camera to jump, and him to instinctivley look to see what hit him. I think he just fell off. Maybe the truck surprised him, but saying as he passed it a second before, that seems even more very poor cycling.