reporting ex worker

yvonne13_2

Thanks for the feedback OP I can now see that you went above and beyond for this person, to the point you even put your hands in your personal pocket to give him petrol money.

OP are you still going to report this person? As I really do think that he has shot himself in the foot.

capeverde

yvonne13 wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback OP I can now see that you went above and beyond for this person, to the point you even put your hands in your personal pocket to give him petrol money.

OP are you still going to report this person? As I really do think that he has shot himself in the foot.

Im not sure, I know I should and I want to, it just goes against how I was bought up. Spoke to my friend last night who employed him before me and apparently he has written to the job centre confirming he offered the person full time work and it was turned down.

yvonne13_2

capeverde wrote: »

Im not sure, I know I should and I want to, it just goes against how I was bought up. Spoke to my friend last night who employed him before me and apparently he has written to the job centre confirming he offered the person full time work and it was turned down.

OP as he has already been reported you don't need to do anything accept tell the truth if and when they ask you why he is no longer with you.
I really do think you are a good person and its refreshing to know there are still some good people around like yourself that is willing to go above and beyond to help someone.

1. You gave them a chance
2. You gave them cash in hand
3. You was giving them plenty o/t
4. You was giving him a chance to prove himself and after 3 months he would be on a higher wage.

Most jobs that are NMW stay at that level, yours had a climbing wage and I like that. :T

eamon

The benefits trap at work again I suspect. You need to factor in the various hard & soft benefits. For example LHA (housing benefit) paid direct to the landlord (and this needn't be a huge amount of money as in my part of the country it is possible to rent a 2/3 bed house for less than £400pm), council tax benefit, school meals, free prescriptions for example. Once all these are calculated even a minimum wage job at the highest level is a financial balancing act. Don't forget the many millions of £'s paid out via WTC when in reality this is a subsidy from the taxpayer to employers.
If you are an adult with dependents living in rented accommodation and on benefits I would suggest that its not easy starting/returning to work the risks are very real.

On investigation I managed to break the £300pm barrier.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-34819139.html

j.e.j.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

My thoughts exactly!

We[STRIKE]'ve[/STRIKE] t[STRIKE]aken[/STRIKE]ook on a girl in one of the back offices who ended up going home in tears the other week, as all she wanted to do was make tea all day.

OH's exact words were 'you don't have a (omitted) clue, do you?' and needless to say I refuse to pay someone nearly £25k a year to make/drink tea!

Needless to say, she was sanctioned accordingly, too!

CK

I wouldn't mind betting there's 2 sides to that story, too..

OP I don't know what to say. You are clearly embittered at people you see as lazy workshy so-and-sos, and your (ex)employee is probably equally riled at working his butt off for less than he'd get even from state benefits.

You're both fighting each other because the system is inherently unfair, and it's easier to take it out on each other than it is to fight the powers that be who cause the problem.

We've got young graduates in thousands of £££s worth of debt who after studying and getting their degrees can't even get a job in flippin' Burger King, as there simply aren't enough graduate jobs around.

And for non-graduates we've got a generation of youngsters who haven't a hope, and they KNOW they haven't a hope. Perhaps you're right, perhaps they do have an exaggerated sense of entitlement now. If you want to make trouble for this guy, yes, get on to the job-centre and make more trouble for him. See that they dock his money and push him even further into poverty, if that'll make you feel better.

I just don't see how it'll help anything in the long-run.

capeverde

j.e.j. wrote: »

I wouldn't mind betting there's 2 sides to that story, too..

OP I don't know what to say. You are clearly embittered at people you see as lazy workshy so-and-sos, and your (ex)employee is probably equally riled at working his butt off for less than he'd get even from state benefits.

You're both fighting each other because the system is inherently unfair, and it's easier to take it out on each other than it is to fight the powers that be who cause the problem.

We've got young graduates in thousands of £££s worth of debt who after studying and getting their degrees can't even get a job in flippin' Burger King, as there simply aren't enough graduate jobs around.

And for non-graduates we've got a generation of youngsters who haven't a hope, and they KNOW they haven't a hope. Perhaps you're right, perhaps they do have an exaggerated sense of entitlement now. If you want to make trouble for this guy, yes, get on to the job-centre and make more trouble for him. See that they dock his money and push him even further into poverty, if that'll make you feel better.

I just don't see how it'll help anything in the long-run.

I do take your point, but would just correct you on your statement of him 'working his butt off'. He did a week. If everyone took this attitude, nothing would ever get done, people have to start somewhere and basically invest some effort in themselves.

I also hate hearing about all of these people with no hope. I think this is nonsense. Some of the richest people in this country came from the sub continent in the 60s with not a penny to their name. They worked hard, not just individually but as a family and eventually reaped their rewards. My background is that I was a self made millionaire, my Dad was a refugee. After selling my businesses I used to invest on the stock market with some quite serious margined trades. Through my own fault I lost everything and after my bank turned their back on me I was forced to go bankrupt when my positions were called. This came at a time when I had moved to a new area for a job which fell through after 4 weeks as they ran out of work. This was three years ago. Faced with this you can either crumble or get off your !!!! and do something about it. A friend lent me an old box van and my Dad gave me some hand tools, I made the van into a workshop and spent my last money on some flyers.Fast forward, I'm on target to turnover a million next year and have an expanding order book and zero borrowings. Im moving into a new larger factory in september and provide employment for 10 people. All this was achieved during the recession.

Now I know some people will call me all sorts and say Im bragging. Im not, Im using it as an example of what can be done if you put your mind to it. I'm nothing special, I left school at 15 and went to work in a factory for 25 quid a week. Ive got no special skills or qualifications and I do have times when I lack confidence and belief and come up against yet another problem life has a habit of throwing at you. Ultimately though Ive got pride and even if I dont succeed, I will always give things my best effort. Thats all you can do.

yvonne13_2

OP, as you say in September you will be employing 10 people do you think you will be giving them NMW considering what you have just experienced?

capeverde

yvonne13 wrote: »

OP, as you say in September you will be employing 10 people do you think you will be giving them NMW considering what you have just experienced?

I employ 10 people now, some are on minimum wage myself included and some are on more. Its the new factory thats happening in Sept.

I have a wage structure I wont break, if it doesn''t appeal to locals I will have to bring in people from outside who appreciate the opportunity. I can quite easily rent a house and put half a dozen Poles in it. I would much rather give locals a chance but Im certainly not going to waste a lot more time as Im tired of kissing frogs!!

CKhalvashi

19lottie82 wrote: »

No they don't. But at the end of the day, if they have little or no experience / qualifications, then they have to accept that they likelyhood is they ARE going to have to start at an entry level position (possibly on minimum wage) and work hard to prove themselves and get promoted (which equals more money).

6 years ago after finishing uni I took a job JUST above minimum wage. I have spent the time since then working hard to learn new skills and gain experience. Now I earn just over double the minium wage. That's the way things work.

I worked in a taxi office in Moscow when I was at uni for 15 rubles an hour (1999-ish, cost of living in Yubileiny, where I was, is about the same as London, and that was about £1.20/hour at that point). Within a year, I was managing the office and on about 75 rubles an hour within a year.

Start at the bottom, work your way up. I was studying, bringing up 2 young children (born 2001 and 2003) and working full-time at one point. I don't regret having my kids, but I do regret doing it as young.

I didn't have a benefit system to support me either, as although I grew up in the UK, I'm Soviet (different country) by birth and was still expected to live as such.

If I was in the same position and couldn't find work, I'd also ask you for a job OP!

j.e.j.

capeverde wrote: »

I do take your point, but would just correct you on your statement of him 'working his butt off'. He did a week. If everyone took this attitude, nothing would ever get done, people have to start somewhere and basically invest some effort in themselves.

I also hate hearing about all of these people with no hope. I think this is nonsense. Some of the richest people in this country came from the sub continent in the 60s with not a penny to their name. They worked hard, not just individually but as a family and eventually reaped their rewards. My background is that I was a self made millionaire, my Dad was a refugee. After selling my businesses I used to invest on the stock market with some quite serious margined trades. Through my own fault I lost everything and after my bank turned their back on me I was forced to go bankrupt when my positions were called. This came at a time when I had moved to a new area for a job which fell through after 4 weeks as they ran out of work. This was three years ago. Faced with this you can either crumble or get off your !!!! and do something about it. A friend lent me an old box van and my Dad gave me some hand tools, I made the van into a workshop and spent my last money on some flyers.Fast forward, I'm on target to turnover a million next year and have an expanding order book and zero borrowings. Im moving into a new larger factory in september and provide employment for 10 people. All this was achieved during the recession.

Now I know some people will call me all sorts and say Im bragging. Im not, Im using it as an example of what can be done if you put your mind to it. I'm nothing special, I left school at 15 and went to work in a factory for 25 quid a week. Ive got no special skills or qualifications and I do have times when I lack confidence and belief and come up against yet another problem life has a habit of throwing at you. Ultimately though Ive got pride and even if I dont succeed, I will always give things my best effort. Thats all you can do.

You sound like a hard-working, focussed and (most important, I think) savvy person. It's brilliant what you've done, I'm not criticizing.

One thing that strikes me though, from what you've written, is that it is the people who've got the nous and the initiative and the confidence to set up on their own who reap the benefits. Working for minimum wage in someone else's factory is feathering someone else's nest.

We obviously don't know this ex-employee, maybe he was being unreasonable, or maybe there's a story there. Who knows. In any case at the end of the day I guess you're an employer, not a philanthropist. I think it is the smart and savvy types (and no academic education can teach someone those skills) who get on in life.