reporting ex worker

wantsajob

kerrypn wrote: »

She is a fool to throw that job away if it 17.5k a year. I have 10 years + experience in my field and get minimum wage.

I'll bet she was great in the interview too. It's always the way it goes. Interviews are the worst way of assessing suitability for a job.

McKneff

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

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Thanks for that very helpfull.

So unemployed people just deserve crap jobs do they? With employers taking advantage of the recession and getting by with paying as little as legally possible for rubbish uniteresting work.
If your so enamoured with the OP offer then you get on your bike and you do it. You seem to think alike so maybe you deserve each other.
The facts are that that theres nothing you can do about the fact that lots of people wont do crap jobs. It used to be that very undesirable jobs were well paid to attract people,e.g I know a few years ago factories used to pay 20k plus near me for basic work.
At the end of the day people have choices and they are making them.

I've done my bit pet. Im 62, pensioner, worked since I was 15 with only a year out for each child. Im glad we do think alike to be honest. Thank goodness.

McKneff

kerrypn wrote: »

OMG where in the country are you? I'll work my *** off for that kind of money! And come in 2 hours EARLY! If and when she leaves can I have an interview?

She is a fool to throw that job away if it 17.5k a year. I have 10 years + experience in my field and get minimum wage.

Makes me feel quite sick.

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This is the kind of work ethic I mean, I wish there was more of them.

19lottie82

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

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So unemployed people just deserve crap jobs do they?

No they don't. But at the end of the day, if they have little or no experience / qualifications, then they have to accept that they likelyhood is they ARE going to have to start at an entry level position (possibly on minimum wage) and work hard to prove themselves and get promoted (which equals more money).

6 years ago after finishing uni I took a job JUST above minimum wage. I have spent the time since then working hard to learn new skills and gain experience. Now I earn just over double the minium wage. That's the way things work.

mynameistallulah

wantsajob wrote: »

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Minimum wage, minimum effort.

I thought you were desperate for a job, or is it only a job that meets your picky terms and conditions?

OP, if you contact the JCP where this workshy signs on they will be happy to act on your report.

yvonne13_2

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capeverde wrote: »

I took somebody on last week on a weeks trial. He knew the rates of pay before he started as he'd been on a scheme beforehand. I agreed his first weeks trial I would pay him cash without a week in hand as he'd been struggling. I also agreed to pay his fuel costs for the first month as a helping hand.

Low and behold, he turns up this morning and says he cant carry on as its not worth him doing this on minimum wage. Minimum wage is for a 3 month training period after which it goes up commensurate with capability.

I am that hacked off with lazy people who will not invest in themselves I have decided to report him to the job centre and also to the social security office. Does anyone know if these people actually take action against these workshy wasters or do they get their brow mopped and a pay rise?

OP, can you confirm if the person your talking about was unemployed as you say he was on a scheme before hand, so were you paid to take him on?

I take it he drives a car hence you giving him the money for fuel. (A monthly/weekly bus pass would have been given to him from the job center to help him out until he got his first wage, so I am told if he was unemployed.)

As for you reporting him, is that wise as you gave him cash so am I right in thinking you paid the tax and N.I.

FBaby

wantsajob wrote: »

Not by much, and cost of transport these days to actually get to work - clearly an issue in this case as indicated by the employer.

Problem is you keep minimum wage workers constantly at the poverty line, while you sit in a nice leather recliner in your office, paying yourself wages up to the 50p tax rate, and this is the sort of situation you create. Why not give someone a reason to get out of bed in the morning, and have a little less money for yourself? Or as the case might be, more money when you properly reward employees, and they work harder, commensurate with the wage.

Remember the minimum wage is a legal minimum, not a target.

I am gobsmacked by this answer The OP stated clearly that this was a trial period and that salary would go up after 3 months depending on results, so not a MNW forever....

Yet still it isn't good enough.... many people start at MNW because they have no experience to show that they will actually be an asset to the company. It then becomes a case of proving yourself worthy of the job because you show a positive attitude at the interview.

Like the OP, I find it pathetic that someone would give up an opportunity of a decent job because there is no reward for a big huge period of.....3 months.... 3 months.... How sad how people live on immediate gratification and can't even cope with getting up and providing a hard day of work for three months with the prospect of a better life afterwards...

This person doesn't deserve a decently paid job with that sort of attitude.

capeverde

yvonne13 wrote: »

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OP, can you confirm if the person your talking about was unemployed as you say he was on a scheme before hand, so were you paid to take him on?

I take it he drives a car hence you giving him the money for fuel. (A monthly/weekly bus pass would have been given to him from the job center to help him out until he got his first wage, so I am told if he was unemployed.)

As for you reporting him, is that wise as you gave him cash so am I right in thinking you paid the tax and N.I.

Here's the situation, the employee was on a scheme, but he finished the period of 6 months where employers get the majority of the wages returned. Whilst on the scheme he did in fact work for a friend of mine who offered him a job at the end of the period but he turned this down. Ive been desperate for workers, so the guy from the local council who run this, called me and said whilst they couldn't extend the financial help, they thought he would be suitable for me because he had some experience in my industry. I spoke to him, gave him a weeks trial and then offered him the job full time, with as much overtime as he could manage. He did the week, I actually paid him cash out of my own pocket for the first week because he said he couldnt even put food on his table. I also made it clear that whilst he would then go to a week in hand if he needed any advance just to ask. On top of this I gave him an extra £30 for his fuel which was more than enough to cover his outlay. Pretty fair in my opinion.

Dandelionclock, you are in fact correct, people have choices, but just as you may choose not to work in a 'crap' job, so in turn shouldn't taxpayers have the right to choose not to fund your lifestyle. The way I was bought up is that you work to EARN the right to make choices. Be it from having a desired skillset or from having managed to acquire enough capital. Without these or a rich partner or relative, what makes you think you have a right to pick and choose at other peoples expense.

If someday we manage to find a government with a leader not afraid to make some difficult decisons, hopefully this will be addressed, but sadly I cant see it happening anytime soon. Taxpayers are being stretched further and further by this abuse of the welfare state and we are beyond tipping point. I have a worker whos mother in law has not done a days work in her life. She is now a full time carer for her new husband that had a heart attack because he smoked 40 a day and ate rubbish food. They live in a 4 bed detached, have 2 or 3 holidays a year, a brand new car every 3 years on motability, iPhones, a 50 inch plasma telly, honestly its like something off footballers wives. I will add his ailment doesn't stop him traipsing round mountains on his holidays.

Do I blame the individuals, no not really, I blame the govt for giving them the opportunity to abuse. We all know discipline has vanished from schools and many homes so its all these people know.

yvonne13_2

@FBaby I don't think it is totally fair to say the person doesn't deserve a job as we don't know that person's reason why he didn't want the job.

It could be a case of them being unemployed that long that benefit's are paying his morgage (After 13 weeks they would get help/council tax ect ect.

Sometimes when people are trying to get back to work they find getting NMW is nothing compared to what they get if they stay on benefits.

F_T_Buyer

wantsajob wrote: »

Are flexi-time arrangements feasible? They help people fit work around their daily life. Would it have been an issue if she turned up 2 hours late and stayed 2 hours longer?

Yes.....

kerrypn wrote: »

OMG where in the country are you? I'll work my *** off for that kind of money! And come in 2 hours EARLY! If and when she leaves can I have an interview?

She is a fool to throw that job away if it 17.5k a year. I have 10 years + experience in my field and get minimum wage.

Makes me feel quite sick.

Hampshire.

This is what I don't get. I started on far less than that (granted many years ago) and worked my way up - now I'm quite fortunate to be on a good salary with a reliable job.

This is something I seriously don't get - I'm a big fan on sites like this, and will make my money go a long way (within reason). I've forever been a worker, from paper-rounds upwards. But why this girl is throwing away her first job?

The worst thing: The company is expanding quite quickly (fortunately) and the idea is that junior position to be promoted as they will know how the company runs at that stage, while another junior moves in.

It's a shame... The second day of the second week and she rings in sick. Unfortunately, she'll be sacked by the end of the week if her line manager has any balls.

Edit: Sorry, OP. Shouldn't be hijacking the thread.