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cyclist deaths & the law

edited 30 November -1 at 12:00AM in Motoring
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  • antrobusantrobus Forumite
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    custardy wrote: »

    Other than the fact that the drivers concerned were acquitted by a jury you mean.
    custardy wrote: »

    Stumped by this one mind you. I don't quite understand how driving at 60mph where there's a 40mph limit and ending up on the wrong side of the road on a double bend doesn't amount to dangerous driving. Seems positively lethal me. Driver should have got 3-5 for that; even for causing death by careless driving he should have got 1-2. I'd shoot the sherriff myself.
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    edited 1 July 2012 at 9:15PM
    antrobus wrote: »
    Other than the fact that the drivers concerned were acquitted by a jury you mean.



    Stumped by this one mind you. I don't quite understand how driving at 60mph where there's a 40mph limit and ending up on the wrong side of the road on a double bend doesn't amount to dangerous driving. Seems positively lethal me. Driver should have got 3-5 for that; even for causing death by careless driving he should have got 1-2. I'd shoot the sherriff myself.

    yup and it begs the question why.
    The way the trial/evidence was handled or as simple as a common view of it being the cyclists fault

    oh and go looking for the old favourite.
    low sun

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120524/Delivery-driver-Paul-Luker-hit-killed-RAF-officer-Tom-Barrett-escapes-jail-sun.html

    http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Dead-cyclist-s-family-says-verdict-means-justice/story-13077373-detail/story.html
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    mikey72 wrote: »

    Don't see how

    he was 10mph over the limit(I assuming this is an estimate from where the hard braking started)
    this is a wet road,approaching a double S bend. so I would say not a section of road to take at the limit surely?
    "The incident took place because the accused was driving at 10mph over the speed limit," said Mr Sneddon.

    "Had he not been doing so, this accident would not have happened. He accepts that and it is something he will have to live with.

    a 1 year driving ban seems paltry along with community service
  • edited 1 July 2012 at 10:00PM
    Sgt_Pepper_2Sgt_Pepper_2
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    edited 1 July 2012 at 10:00PM
    custardy wrote: »
    Don't see how

    he was 10mph over the limit(I assuming this is an estimate from where the hard braking started)
    this is a wet road,approaching a double S bend. so I would say not a section of road to take at the limit surely?



    a 1 year driving ban seems paltry along with community service

    Seems he got the going rate, same as if he'd killed a car driver, so what's your point?
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    Paradigm wrote: »
    All road users should be registered, insured & taxed. This includes cycles.

    Registration and compulsory third-party insurance for cyclists needs to happen asap. Cyclists do cause damage and they also cause personal injury to pedestrians. They should therefore be insured and registered so they can be held accountable for their actions.
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    Dave_c wrote: »
    As a cyclist and a driver I agree on this point. Apart from being covered in every Cycle training course, this is detailed in the highway code rules 72 and 73
    You mean these idiots?

    Dave
    Yes, anyone stupid enough not to understand what a red light means.

    I was witness to a accident a few years ago - I was sat at a red light at a junction with a turning to the left. The oncoming traffic had a green light and filter green to turn right, ie across the "straight on" path from where I was.

    Some idiot cyclist came past me and went through the red light going straight on, at the same time as some idiot motorist from the opposite direction turned right without indicating. Result - motorist drove straight into the cyclist right in front of me.

    I immediately dialled 999 for an ambulance but it turned out the cyclist wasn't seriously injured, though his bike was wrecked. He managed to get up and start a slanging match with the motorist before I was off the phone. The police also arrived, they took a statement off me and I never heard anything more. Hopefully both the numpties learned a valuable lesson...
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    zagfles wrote: »
    Yes, anyone stupid enough not to understand what a red light means.

    I was witness to a accident a few years ago - I was sat at a red light at a junction with a turning to the left. The oncoming traffic had a green light and filter green to turn right, ie across the "straight on" path from where I was.

    Some idiot cyclist came past me and went through the red light going straight on, at the same time as some idiot motorist from the opposite direction turned right without indicating. Result - motorist drove straight into the cyclist right in front of me.

    I immediately dialled 999 for an ambulance but it turned out the cyclist wasn't seriously injured, though his bike was wrecked. He managed to get up and start a slanging match with the motorist before I was off the phone. The police also arrived, they took a statement off me and I never heard anything more. Hopefully both the numpties learned a valuable lesson...

    We'll wait for all the IAM drivers to tell us you don't need to indicate. To be fair, I may not in that position. It's a filter lane, where else are you going?
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    Crabman wrote: »
    Registration and compulsory third-party insurance for cyclists needs to happen asap. Cyclists do cause damage and they also cause personal injury to pedestrians. They should therefore be insured and registered so they can be held accountable for their actions.

    So that will cut down on cyclist deaths and injuries. which unlike all other oad users,appears to be on the rise (although needs validation on number of cyclists vs accidents)
    The taxi that caused my accident was registered,insured & licenced
    Didnt change anything for me. was he/she held accountable? or did they simply drive off and leave me for dead on the road?
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    mikey72 wrote: »
    We'll wait for all the IAM drivers to tell us you don't need to indicate. To be fair, I may not in that position. It's a filter lane, where else are you going?
    It wasn't a filter lane - the road is two lanes in that direction and both lanes can go straight on.

    Besides even if it was a filter lane the driver should be indicating - a pedestrian crossing the side road he's turning into won't necessarily know that.

    I had some idiot almost run me over in a similar situation in the town centre. I was crossing a side road as a pedestrian, the motorist was turning left without indicating. Her excuse was that you can only turn left there, which was true as straight on was buses only, but I couldn't see the road signs showing that from where I was.
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