Is tailgating out of a car park illegal???

Hadeon

mikey72 wrote: »

When the police just decide to ignore a crime as it's not quite big enough to worry them, you wouldn't expect them to get away with it, and they don't normally. This isn't just a quick bit of trespassing on private property, it's a crime, and Manchester Airport made £51m in car parking fees 2008 to 2009. That's a lot of influence with the local council and police force if the cheats get away with too many. 27 in an hour could be over £700 lost revenue. And it's not like there isn't video evidence in each case. (But I'd pay just to see someone go over the bollards though. It could prove more popular than plane spotting)

You have raised seperate distinct issues here, and with respect you have to get real - why should the (local council ??) & police concern themselves unduly, if at all, with the 'lost revenue' of a private company already making £51m a year (entirely for their own benefit) from parking fees at one location if that private company are not prepared to take some simple precautionary measures themselves to minimise, if not entirely eliminate, their losses.

£51m equates to the annual budget of many provincial police forces. Do you really expect a police force to spend their time (and our money) to investigate 27 such crimes an hour at the expense of all other & more deserving causes?

If your house were continuously being burgled because you keep leaving the front door open & were not prepared spend money on fitting a decent lock, is that not your responsibility or would you still expect the police to fully investigate each entry.

Cost/benefit analysis applies to all these days.

In a perfect world the police would investigate every crime, but it isn't and they can't.

mikey72

Hadeon wrote: »

You have raised seperate distinct issues here, and with respect you have to get real - why should the (local council ??) & police concern themselves unduly, if at all, with the 'lost revenue' of a private company already making £51m a year (entirely for their own benefit) from parking fees at one location if that private company are not prepared to take some simple precautionary measures themselves to minimise, if not entirely eliminate, their losses.

£51m equates to the annual budget of many provincial police forces. Do you really expect a police force to spend their time (and our money) to investigate 27 such crimes an hour at the expense of all other & more deserving causes?

If your house were continuously being burgled because you keep leaving the front door open & were not prepared spend money on fitting a decent lock, is that not your responsibility or would you still expect the police to fully investigate each entry.

Cost/benefit analysis applies to all these days.

In a perfect world the police would investigate every crime, but it isn't and they can't.

You're right. Manchester airport, manchester must hate them. Bet the council, chief of police, airport managers cross the road to avoid each other. I love your simple precautions, if a barrier can't stop thieving scumbags, let's introduce something like clamping, or towing maybe? Uplift from their home and crush the thieving scumbags cars after repeated theft?

Hadeon

mickey72 - we're more or less singing off the same hymn sheet here, albeit slightly out of tune here & there.

I, like you & most other contributors on this forum, do not condone avoiding legitimate charges for goods & services provided.

mikey72

Hadeon wrote: »

mickey72 - we're more or less singing off the same hymn sheet here, albeit slightly out of tune here & there.

I, like you & most other contributors on this forum, do not condone avoiding legitimate charges for goods & services provided.

I condone punishment of thieves as well though. And if someone wants to try to avoid paying by avoiding a barrier system, which you claim is akin to leaving the door open, I'll ask what sort of system would you use to contriol the scum, and punish the thieves? 27 easy convictions an hour, it's better than a speed camera for crime figures.

screwbiedooo

mikey72 wrote: »

WThis isn't just a quick bit of trespassing on private property, it's a crime, and Manchester Airport made £51m in car parking fees 2008 to 2009.

Hehe, and the thieves were who exactly....? You would think that they could settle this the old-fashioned way by giving an actual live human being a real job of work to operate a barrier, rather than all the hi-tech hardware.

mikey72

I've no problem with that, I've give them pepper spray and tasers as well, and bung another quid on the carpark fee to pay them. If the thieving scumbags don't like that, they can always boycott the airport.

Hadeon

mikey72 wrote: »

I condone punishment of thieves as well though. And if someone wants to try to avoid paying by avoiding a barrier system, which you claim is akin to leaving the door open, I'll ask what sort of system would you use to contriol the scum, and punish the thieves? 27 easy convictions an hour, it's better than a speed camera for crime figures.

So do I, but it appears you have totally missed the point I was trying to make - my analogy was intended to highlight the concept of taking personal responsibility & measures to prevent/minimise crime opportunity.
This of course cannot be completely outsourced to the police & judicial system of whom you seemingly have a very unrealistic expectation.

With regard to your question 'what system would I use to control...', I believe I have already more than adequately addressed that point in the context of the matter under discussion.

Confused about your reference to & relevance of speed cameras tho'.

mikey72

Hadeon wrote: »

.........With regard to your question 'what system would I use to control...', I believe I have already more than adequately addressed that point in the context of the matter under discussion.........

You'll have to humour me then, I must be slow tonoght. I'm sure you wouldn't mind going over it again, or providing me a cut and paste, as I missed it earlier.

Hadeon

No prob - second para' of post #17.

Oh, and first para of post #22

mikey72

"Why not run your query by Manc Airport/PE & maybe suggest double exit barriers are installed to address/solve their little problem.""You have raised seperate distinct issues here, and with respect you have to get real - why should the (local council ??) & police concern themselves unduly, if at all, with the 'lost revenue' of a private company already making £51m a year (entirely for their own benefit) from parking fees at one location if that private company are not prepared to take some simple precautionary measures themselves to minimise, if not entirely eliminate, their losses."So why can't the scumbags simply tailgate through the second barrier as well? The queue would no doubt be good though for the decent motorists that do pay. (Can't see anything is the other quote.)