Telecoms mast erected with cable over garden

Buzby

It you wish BT to remove their equipment, they will do so, but it will cost you. As to why it isn't underground, that's easy - cost. It is for the same reason electricity pylons straddle the countryside. BT have a universal obligation to provide service, which means they have to use the most cost effective method - currently this is overhead.

Some housing estates make a provision for utilities from the outset, and either Pre-wire or provide ducts for BT to use.

BT have good rights to the wayleaves for providing service (part of the UO) and if try have previously received permission to install equipment on a 'private' wall the cost of any relocation has to be met by you - unless it concerns demolition.

DUTR

Buzby wrote: »

It you wish BT to remove their equipment, they will do so, but it will cost you. As to why it isn't underground, that's easy - cost. It is for the same reason electricity pylons straddle the countryside. BT have a universal obligation to provide service, which means they have to use the most cost effective method - currently this is overhead.

Some housing estates make a provision for utilities from the outset, and either Pre-wire or provide ducts for BT to use.

BT have good rights to the wayleaves for providing service (part of the UO) and if try have previously received permission to install equipment on a 'private' wall the cost of any relocation has to be met by you - unless it concerns demolition.

I think some are just on the bandwagon of let's attack Openreach!
Funny bit is the OP says the dropwire is an eyesore, but looking at the array of satellite dishes appears to be an eyesore if I were to live around that way

Buzby

I agree strung dropwires are ugly, but then if you couldn't get BB or phone without them, you modify your dislike. This is unlikely to change - even when BT bring 'fibre'

Until there is a alternative - were all stuck with it! In my development, all wiring is underground - and that was one of the reasons I chose to live there. So the answer is move! (It worked for me!).

derrick

macman wrote: »

You don't own the airspace above your property.

I was under the assumption that you did?

Wikipedia
Air rights are a type of development right in real estate, referring to the empty space above a property. Generally speaking, owning or renting land or a building gives one the right to use and develop the air rights.
This legal concept is encoded in the Latin phrase Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad caelum et ad inferos ("For whoever owns the soil, it is theirs up to Heaven and down to Hell."),

and In Brief,
The common law distinguishes between two different types of airspace. The lower and Upper stratum.

• The lower stratum is concerned with the portion immediately above the land and interference with this air space would effect the landowner’s reasonable enjoyment of the land and the structures upon it.

S. 76 Civil Aviation Act 1982 states that ‘the lower stratum is unlikely to extend beyond an altitude of much more than 500 or 1,000 feet above roof level, this being roughly the minimum permissible distance for normal overflying by any aircraft’ (Rules of the Air Regulations 2007, Sch 1, s. 3(5)).


Plus a lot of others if you Google it agree.

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Buzby

Strangely, this might be true as far as it goes, IF there is a freehold that includes mineral rights - mine doesn't. However, flying a cable across it - by BT - is exempt due to their universal obligation rights.

john1

Not sure if this is relevant in this instant but the Openreach Developer’s guide (page 39) on Wayleaves implies that they need written consent to install, maintain, adjust, repair or alter any openreach plant over or under any new development.


see http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/network/developingournetwork/documentationandinformation/buildersguide/downloads/developers_guide.pdf

Buzby

Not really - this concerns access over a private development (where no public wayleave exists), it is the developer - after all - who is putting n the infrastructure here. (It is then 'bought' by BT and added to their network).

The UO provides for full access on public roads and pathways (usually maintained by the Council) - NOT on private property, which requires negotiation.