Living Free

RAS

Genzzry wrote: »

I am currently saving all this money to buy a sailing yacht. Once bought, I intend to leave the UK and look for a small island that has nobody living on it. There seem to be a lot around Greece, etc.

You do know that once your saving hit £6000, you are obliged to declare them and it will affect your access to mean-tested benefits? And that once they get to £16k you lose most benefits?

Somerset

I've decided not to get wound-up about benefits, MP's, banker's etc etc.

People do what they want to do every day and literally screw the system. From the top to the bottom.

This thread is just par for the course.

bargainbetty

It is worth noting that DLA is there to support you living, not saving. If you save money, you will eventually pass the threshold at which your benefits (including HB) reduce, and if you continue saving you may eventually reach the point where they stop. They stop, because you will have money to live on.

The system is not there to provide you with the future of your choice. It is there to provide people with support in the present until they can sort themselves out or find a different way to contribute.

I am a high-rate taxpayer, and have actively chosen to not take any of the available routes to minimise my tax because I believe those who can afford it should contribute to those who need help. Society should be judged by how it treats the most vulnerable. However, your plan is both ridiculous and unworkable. If you attempt to hide the savings, you can be prosecuted for benefit fraud and whatever assets (your boat) will be seized and sold.

HKitten

Are there really islands out there where you can just sail up, park your boat and declare yourself at home?


I thought everywhere belonged to someone.

Metranil_Vavin

I tend to think this thread is just a big old wind up.

allybee101

You might struggle to harvest enough drinking water from rainfall. Long dry spells will quickly deplete any stored water (if it hasn't already gone stagnant). Try reading Castaway by Lucy Irvine. The reality of living as a castaway isn't the romantic idyll everyone would hope for.
You'll be surprised at how many resources you'll need for a sustainable lifestyle. Trees take decades to grow back after you've cut them down for firewood or building materials. The nutrients in soil are depleted by growing plants.

Tamsin_Temrin

OP - once youre on the boat, dont get sick

redsaxon

If OP was genuine he would swim to Greece and not bother with the yacht :rotfl:

barbarawright

HKitten wrote: »

Are there really islands out there where you can just sail up, park your boat and declare yourself at home?


I thought everywhere belonged to someone.

An uninhabited island with free wifi :rotfl:

Genzzry

StumpyPumpy wrote: »

I don't believe anyone has attacked you here yet, just asked salient questions about how you plan to live and finance your plans.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the purchasing of a £60k yacht to go off and leave this place is a dream of many hard-working, fully employed people, but is so far beyond their means that they know it will only ever be a dream regardless of how frugal they are with their money and how hard they save.

Therefore, when someone, whose sole means of income is the same welfare system that their money and hard work pays for, claims to be about to fulfil those dreams they are bound to question about where the finances come from.

The only real attacking I see is you against the welfare system that you despise so much: yet are quite happy to get handouts from, take advantage of its medical and community provision and complain when this is removed from you. Sorry, but if t you find it all that hateful, then you should opt out of the system altogether, not pick and choose the aspects to exploit. Don't use it to finance your future then claim you will be living for free. You won't be. You are simply scrounging of the good nature of people around you and the forced good nature of the tax payer in general by getting money not just for now but for the future as well. No one forces you to exercise your entitlement to benefits.

Try living without our welfare system entirely. See how long you survive with your "free" ideals at home, before you head off to your island. The welfare system pays for the rent of your flat. it pays for you to have clean water on tap. It pays for the toilet and the removal of refuse. It pays for the pavements under your feet and all the community workers you use and the medication you take/took.

I use all these things but I pay for myself through direct taxation. You are a non-contributor meaning I also partly pay for you. So try using none of those things for a week or so and then see how you feel. If you decide you do need some of them after all, how are you going to use your "barter" system to repay me and the other millions of people that pay to sustain you currently?

I am a staunch believer of the welfare state even though I pay much more than I receive. I believe in helping people who are unable to help themselves through illness or misfortune I don't believe in using it to finance !!!!!!!!!!s and fraudsters. You never did answer the questions about how you are intending to raise the money for the yacht, perhaps you should as it is fundamental to identifying to which category you belong.

SP

Either you did not read my posts or you are ignoring the part where I mentioned that I lived for years (about 5, Im guessing) without ANY support from your government/society. I found/farmed my own food and lived in a hut that I built myself, I stayed away from people and my meats were normally fish or fox (its not too bad if you boil it for an hour or two).

I returned back to your "society" quite a while ago but was forced into the "welfare system" when someone tried physically attacking me and my use of force was deemed "inappropriate". I narrowly avoided being sectioned because my friend said that I could stay with him and he'd help me readjust.

I have caught up with the stuff that I liked when I was younger (computer programming) and am now coding software that I hope will one day prove useful to the world (I can dream). One peice of software that I have developed has been called a "market changer" by a few people that my friend has spoken too and he has an agreement of a £37mil backing for the startup of a company based around it. The bulk of the money to buy to the boat will hopefully come from this. I am not exactly related to the company as I gave the software away for free to my friend, but he has said that anything I want will be paid for should the company launch and hit IPO.

I have told him that all I want is a boat so that I can leave this place. I was happiest when I was doing things by myself, for myself. The only other things that I have asked for is that most of the money generated by the company be paid to its employees instead of being kept by the already rich investors. I have no say in wether this will happen or not though. Once free of this place, I will continue to live for free by myself (or with my friend). I will not require any of the "money" you all adore so much.

I am aware ESA by itself could never fund a boat, but that does not stop me saving towards it and writing software in the meantime. Computer programming has always been as easy as talking/walking for me and I code in all computer programming languages. I have tried finding work in this field but everyone I spoke to wants me to work in their offices and/or have a degree.

I qualify for ESA because I can not go out and work. I qualify for DLA as its not means tested and I find it difficult to leave the house or be around people so incur additional expenses. These are YOUR regulations, not mine - I'd be happier away from society which is what I intend to do.

Agoraphobia is not a fear of open spaces, its a fear of physical (face-2-face) interaction and/or things feeling different when left alone for too long. I can go out in the middle of the night or very early morning when nobody is around but used to live in one room as I was scared to move to another one due to what I realised was an irrational fear things would have changed or people would be there.

Look, I've been reading the attacks against me and jokes and I dont really care to explain myself to you all anymore. I'll leave you to pretend that you and your money (or lack of it) matter and that the version of the world you blindly follow is the best. I obviously still dont fit in with your idea of civilisation/society where it is fine to try and ridicule anyone you dont/cant understand. I wont be updating this thread with links to free living. Feel free to stay in money (debt) slavery to "your" government.