Living Free

Genzzry

princess*daisy wrote: »

Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but how can you say you are anti-money while claiming state benefits to pay your rent and save for your future? State benefit payments are still money, are they not? You will also be using such money to fund your future lifestyle, i.e. buy your boat. So I'm failing to see how you are living for free when your current and future lifestyles rely on money, albeit money from welfare payments rather than money you have earned.

Im not exactly anti-money... I just have no respect for it and hope to live without it (and the slavery to government that its there to create). I barter my skills and time directly and intend to leave money and society behind at some point, if all works well.

For now, I reduce the amount that I spend by finding ways to get things for free (like the internet, phone, etc). These are all legitimate things that anyone could do instead of paying greedy companies.

I realise this forum is about SAVING money and not reducing the need for it or getting rid of the reliance on it, but I am also looking into methods like "Accepted for Value" to wipe out debts to companies and forcing the treasury to destroy it. These are things everyone should know already but are often hidden from the general public while banks, etc use them (although alot of the laws and practices are now being unravelled).

If everyone knew the country was bankrupt and still printing fraudulant money, or that people can now wipe all their debts clean just by writing on the demand letters... where would the country be? (although thats getting a little off topic)

broad-sword_2

"Once "free" of civilisation, I intend to live entirely for free on my own skills and hard work"

And assuming you are for real, once you reach this Nirvanna, you'll presumably pay nothing into the system and expect whatever you may need for free as well?
In the meantime milk the system for every penny you can get eh? What a parasite you are. Normally, as my posts on the benefits boards reflect, I am sympathetic to people struggling with ESA, but in your case I hope the WCA takes you out pronto. For anyone genuine on ESA, this is the kind of character that has helped make the system as it is.....

barbarawright

Shovel_Lad wrote: »

According to this DLA is for people who have a physical or mental disability (or both) and whose disability is severe enough for them to need help caring for themselves or they have walking difficulties, or both.

Surely someone who qualifies to claim DLA would not be physically capable of building their own house?

I too am all for DLA for those who need it (and I'm aware it's not as easy to get as some people think) but I'm curious to know what disability doesn't allow you to work but allows you to sail a yacht solo.

Genzzry

barbarawright wrote: »

I too am all for DLA for those who need it (and I'm aware it's not as easy to get as some people think) but I'm curious to know what disability doesn't allow you to work but allows you to sail a yacht solo.

I have high functioning autism, general anxiety, social anxiety and depression. Until about last year, I also had agoraphobia and could not leave the house. I was doing much better with counciling and my CPN but still can not be around more than one or two people at most as when I get too nervous, my fight/flight response kicks in, I tend to get aggressive and lash out or flee and try to find a place where I can be alone. I am also doing better with this lately but mainly because I stay away from face-2-face encounters and busy places.

According to my doctor and CPN, I am classed as mentally disabled because I can not go out to work, can not attend a jobcentre, it affects my life and I only know 1 person on a face-2-face friendship basis. Due to "departmental cuts", I no longer have access to a councilor or the CPN though. Also, the people that used to come and make sure I was eating, etc do not come any more so my only friend fills their roles. Your amazing "welfare system" wants me to sit in the flat and pop pills forever with no hope of getting better.

I could "happily" spend my life on DLA and popping pills but do not wish to take more money than I have too in order to live. Being away from people lowers my symptoms and I can almost forget that they are there which is one of the reasons that I am aiming to leave all this behind. Idiots like the guy/gal above that assume rubbish about people then attack them on made-up grounds are probably one of the reasons that I ended-up like this in the first place.

I spent years of my life after being in care living on the streets claiming NO money from anyone and finding/growing my own food. I have never been part of "your" social structure until recently and I hate the kind of ignorant people I see around me. I taught myself everything I know from reading books (I was programming when I was 10) and have an IT skill that allows me to trade my skills after doing it for 25 year (on and off) but I have to manage my social/work contact fairly well so that people know I cant be around others for very long.

I'd rather save up and buy a boat to get away from society (and reliance on your "money") instead of spending my life hiding away in a flat/house paid for by other people. Atleast then I can do my own thing and everyone else is free to go fcuk-over eachother until "your" social structure collapses which Im guessing will be about 10-20 years (max) when hyper-inflation hits and you wake-up to the lies your being fed by government and the banking system. I only hope that I can get away before it all kicks off.

There is a reason that this depression is the longest in history and nobody knows when it will end (if it ever will). EVERY fiat-currency in history has failed in the same way, an ever increasing boom-bust cycle that ends with the overturning of government, the collapse of society and after a period of unrest which results in countless deaths over basic food items... a new government emerges. I dont want to be around for that either.

Ofcourse, ALL of this is none of anyones business than my own. This thread was supposed to be about links to living for free - not somewhere for people to try attacking those that dont fit into their programmed perception of acceptable/normal behavior. I should not also be "forced" to defend my ability to get access to funding that I've being told for years that I should be claiming by professionals.

barbarawright

Nobody has attacked you - people have asked questions which isn't unreasonable. However I doubt I'm the only person who is rather cynical about the whole thing ...

ikkle87

How long do you expect it to take you to save enough for the yacht?

You may find that DLA isn't as easy to get as you think, especially considering that whilst you say you were agoraphobic and struggle with people you seem quite capable of negotiating a new tenancy, creating links with people such as your landlord etc and have no physical/motability problems etc.

How do you plan to save so much given the savings cap on benefits?

Have you thought about how your plan will be affected if and when Universal Credits come in?

wobblylemon

"I'd rather save up and buy a boat to get away from society (and reliance on your "money") instead of spending my life hiding away in a flat/house paid for by other people. Atleast then I can do my own thing and everyone else is free to go fcuk-over eachother until "your" social structure collapses which Im guessing will be about 10-20 years (max) when hyper-inflation hits and you wake-up to the lies your being fed by government and the banking system. I only hope that I can get away before it all kicks off. "

Ok...so your saving up money that 'our' society is providing you with so you can go off and leave 'our' social structure to collapse.

If 'our' social structure collapses it will be partly due to people like you.

Sounds like you're the one doing the fcuk-ing over.

StumpyPumpy

Genzzry wrote: »

This thread was supposed to be about links to living for free - not somewhere for people to try attacking those that dont fit into their programmed perception of acceptable/normal behavior. I should not also be "forced" to defend my ability to get access to funding that I've being told for years that I should be claiming by professionals.

I don't believe anyone has attacked you here yet, just asked salient questions about how you plan to live and finance your plans.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the purchasing of a £60k yacht to go off and leave this place is a dream of many hard-working, fully employed people, but is so far beyond their means that they know it will only ever be a dream regardless of how frugal they are with their money and how hard they save.

Therefore, when someone, whose sole means of income is the same welfare system that their money and hard work pays for, claims to be about to fulfil those dreams they are bound to question about where the finances come from.

The only real attacking I see is you against the welfare system that you despise so much: yet are quite happy to get handouts from, take advantage of its medical and community provision and complain when this is removed from you. Sorry, but if t you find it all that hateful, then you should opt out of the system altogether, not pick and choose the aspects to exploit. Don't use it to finance your future then claim you will be living for free. You won't be. You are simply scrounging of the good nature of people around you and the forced good nature of the tax payer in general by getting money not just for now but for the future as well. No one forces you to exercise your entitlement to benefits.

Try living without our welfare system entirely. See how long you survive with your "free" ideals at home, before you head off to your island. The welfare system pays for the rent of your flat. it pays for you to have clean water on tap. It pays for the toilet and the removal of refuse. It pays for the pavements under your feet and all the community workers you use and the medication you take/took.

I use all these things but I pay for myself through direct taxation. You are a non-contributor meaning I also partly pay for you. So try using none of those things for a week or so and then see how you feel. If you decide you do need some of them after all, how are you going to use your "barter" system to repay me and the other millions of people that pay to sustain you currently?

I am a staunch believer of the welfare state even though I pay much more than I receive. I believe in helping people who are unable to help themselves through illness or misfortune I don't believe in using it to finance !!!!!!!!!!s and fraudsters. You never did answer the questions about how you are intending to raise the money for the yacht, perhaps you should as it is fundamental to identifying to which category you belong.

SP

barbarawright

I am struggling rather with the concept of an agoraphobic sailor but each to their own...

Norfolk_Jim

Genzzry wrote: »

Ok, Im not sure if this might raise some eyebrows and get me some greif from other posters but here is what Im trying to do.

You knew these ideas would get you some grief. I think you've got off rather lightly so far, probably due to the sympathetic nature of this board. If you tied some others on MSE i think they'd eat you alive.

I share some of your ideals but not your methods. Presumably when you next need the NHS you'll float back to the society you want to leave. I feel a bit sorry for your landlord whom you took advantage of. Hopefully he is rich and can afford it but what goes around comes around, do unto others and all that jazz