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Sounds like

other person has a new job lined up

they don't want you on your own so you go to head office or get made redundant/resign.

or you convince them to let you continue working from the current office

Other person getting trained for another job you on your own others in another office, should have seen this coming and started defensive action.

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if the other person gets the new job you would be the only person at the current location they might not want that.

When the writing is on the wall you start looking for other work, internaly at the cuurent location or externaly if you don't want to move and can't find something. you can also start antisipating what they might do by challenging them early, are you planning to shut down the work at this office, why can't I be trained for this other job etc. why can't I continue working here etc.

Or you can sit back and wait for them to do what they want.
I think you may need to review your idea that you are a control freak you have had a lot of time to see this coming and manage it.

What's this about limiting commutes, how can a company stop you choosing where you live and how much time you spend traveling on your on time.


A company can decide what jobs are done where so if your job is changing/moving and you can't then you need to convince them to keep the job where it is or give you something different.

Focus on the business needs during consultation.

Currently 6, manager, 4 + temp, problems with cover when you were only 5.
worko ut hte minimum number of full time equivilents the job needs.

Reasons why 2 locations is better than 1.

How much work has the other person done during this 5 weeks training, have you had any holiday during this training period.

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I think you missed the signs, as you said the additional person turning up at the other office would have been a time to rethink the 5 years the longer they stayed the more likely they would be staying even longer, and when the other local person was basicaly set up to move 2 months ago that was it local site gone unless they replaced her.

Anyway that was then this is now.

I think you need to find out who is driving the change(union should help) and why, then try to blow a hole in their business case, find out if the boss is just a pawn or activly supporting the change.

BAck up you objection by suggesting a trial period where all the rostering is transfered to the main office immediately to see if it works while the consultation continues.

I think you need to actively chase any potential local roles or the likely outcome is redundancy.


The union stance is there to stop people being forced into locations they don't want/can't afford and having to resign rather than get something local or get paid off.

It looks like there is an issue with the rostering but there will be ways to reduce that workload.

I think what may happen is they will move the work to the other office and if they can't cope hire someone else local and go back upto 4.

DalePie

smiales wrote: »

My contract signed nearly 4 years ago actually has the head office as my place of work on it. I have queried it in the past as I was worried they would use it to move me one day but no one has ever altered it. I live about 90-120 mins away so I could commute on a temporary basis (until I found a new job) if it was that or unemployment. I haven't mentioned this to anyone yet as I don't want it used against me. Keeping it under my belt at the moment.

Sadly it was either an honest mistake or the knew this might happen and wanted to have a "get out clause" so to speak. You make up your own mind about that.

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I have been actively trying to conceive for about a year, no one knows, if this happens now where do I stand? I'm gutted about this more than anything as the maternity package is fantastic - 6 months full pay! I'm guessing I will lose out on this now if I fall pregnant? Also long shot but do you think the fact that my colleague and I are 29 and 32yr old females has prompted the descision? Our colleagues are older and no risk.

You should definitely ask your union reps about this. Is there a history of sexist / discriminatory behaviour at the company? If you can prove this (Its often very hard) you can take them to the cleaners!

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My colleague was contacted a couple of months ago about a new job opportunity and has completed a 5wk training course in preparation for the new position. Now she had taken a bit of interest a couple of weeks prior to this in another dept but was contacted by our mgr about the training. Has she just dropped lucky as she is primed for another job or is it possible they have given her a heads up / helping hand knowing the future plan?

I doubt this is the case and if true it would be even harder to prove tbh. It is possible that your friend had a hunch something was going on. When your in the world of work for many years you do learn to "spot" the signs all is not well and jumping ship is an idea. I could be talking complete nonsense however and given the difficulty in proving it, your best to stick to other avenues.

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Currently there are 2 job titles, one of each in each location. They are going to be changing this to all 3 roles having a new JD and Job Title. Is it legal to make us redundant or 'displace' us and then create a new job within the team doing the same duties?

Sadly they can do this.

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Finally we have an 'extra' person currently placed in our team, she has been with us for about 16mths as she has a grievance against her manager in a different route of the company. Our route don't pay her salary, she basically helps out and has provided holiday cover for us which has been great as we are massively under pressure when someone is off. Our concern is that the company is getting rid of us and will place her into the new vacancy in head office. We've been told this isn't happening but it's not rocket science that she is a great candidate, she's doing the job and is say in the right seat. If she gets it is that right?

Sadly, yet again they can do this.

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Other than these specific questions what process should I expect to take place?

Sounds like you will get the 90 days notice and a period where the union will be involved.

The main issue here is probably one of experience. Perhaps other people with more life experience saw the ship was sinking and decided to take action; getting a new job or transferring out etc etc...

Its likely you will lose your job but in a weird way it could be good for you. One day it will be you "spotting the warning signs" and getting out before the ship sinks. Life is a journey and this is a life lesson.

Think Micheal Gambons speech about the Layer Cake. Your out in the world taking poop at the moment, you'll climb higher though!

Chin Up

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Do you discuss TTC with each other?
You know about her does she know about you?

I wonder if this interloper union strong persion is behind this.

if they are your manager is on the back foot and you need to be carefull with the union..