Under 25 housing benefit

lemonjelly

A week of headlines baying against the rich and their tax avoidance schemes is suddenly turned on it's head and the dogs are let loose on those who don't have any money.

Cut housing benefit for those under 25 - force more people to live with their parents into adulthood with potential for more overcrowding situations. Those who, for whatever reason, can't stay at home are faced with the greatest level of youth unemployment in generations without the means or the back up of welfare state to support themselves so homelessness will increase.

This is policy on the hoof designed to play to the hard core Tory voters who want an "honest and open debate" - spin for cut the welfare bill and let them rot.

PasturesNew

You can probably get two of these in a medium sized bedroom:
http://www.asapela.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/bunk-beds-for-kids-cheap-with-3-layers.jpg

homelessskilledworker

I have no issues at all with taking the majority of these welfare scroungers to the ****** cleaners. But what I would like to see as a replacement is some kind of alternative, not in the way of more money in all cases as equal money would be more than fair, just how they are going to get these people back doing productive work.

David Cameron's soundbite statement today is all very well, but too anyone that has a hard working mind set and has been sheltered from certain sections of society, it is hard to imagine the ingrained mind set that many of those on long term welfare have. If you think the series Shameless is over the top you would supprised, it's worse, a short period in Letchworth and seeing with my own eyes what happened on the Grange estate opened my eyes.

I know of educated people who leave their front door at 7am and try their hardest from morning to evening, yet they struggle, So what the hell are you going to do with these people. Many of them down London for example live lifestyles where you would need an income of £50k plus... no chance David.

pqrdef

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

just how they are going to get these people back doing productive work.

Apparently they're going to be made to tidy up the park.

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

So what the hell are you going to do with these people.

The trouble with operating a caste system is that people in the underclass have no incentive to try to better themselves, because they know they'll be stuck in the underclass whatever they do.

And don't tell me your grandad dragged himself out of the gutter and made himself rich. Many people haven't got what it takes and they know they haven't. What do you reckon they should do about it?

CKhalvashi

Conrad wrote: »

Yes and wasn't it Milliband that started the whole 'something for nothing society' debate.......:beer:

Frank Field, David Blunket and others on the left have long argued we need to properly tackle long term dependancy culture.


Those who argue for the status - quo are litterly rsigning millions to worse life outcomes in the long run. The opposite of progressive.

Funny how millions of immigrants came here the last 15 years with nothing, and many of them have built prosperous lives having started in a turnip field.

CK being one of them!

PasturesNew

CKhalvashi wrote: »

CK being one of them!

So how did you start...?
Apart from having a degree... what did you actually DO that got you started?

Mortabrey

Under 25's having to move back in with Mum and Dad, got to be good for supply demand and even more downward pressure on prices.

PaulF81

pqrdef wrote: »

Apparently they're going to be made to tidy up the park.


The trouble with operating a caste system is that people in the underclass have no incentive to try to better themselves, because they know they'll be stuck in the underclass whatever they do.

And don't tell me your grandad dragged himself out of the gutter and made himself rich. Many people haven't got what it takes and they know they haven't. What do you reckon they should do about it?

Be given a choice. Work or starve.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

To my mind the most important proposal (remember these are just tasters for the the 2015 Tory Manifesto) is the limiting of child benefit to three offspring. I cannot believe that it has taken this long to be mentioned, and that it's been overshadowed by the under 25 HB debate. Economically and morally, a society that pays the unemployed to breed and penalises the working poor is going nowhere.

pqrdef

PaulF81 wrote: »

Be given a choice. Work or starve.

Are you volunteering to employ some of them? Or whose job is that?