Under 25 housing benefit

chewmylegoff

pqrdef wrote: »

Isn't it strange how Labour has abandoned class-war politics but the Tories feel the need to reinvent it?

when did labour abandon it? every time ed milliband opens his mouth it's to dismiss osborne and cameron as posh tw*ts (which may well be true, but it is of course exactly what milliband also is).

Conrad

chewmylegoff wrote: »

when did labour abandon it? every time ed milliband opens his mouth it's to dismiss osborne and cameron as posh tw*ts (which may well be true, but it is of course exactly what milliband also is).

Yes and wasn't it Milliband that started the whole 'something for nothing society' debate.......:beer:

Frank Field, David Blunket and others on the left have long argued we need to properly tackle long term dependancy culture.


Those who argue for the status - quo are litterly rsigning millions to worse life outcomes in the long run. The opposite of progressive.

Funny how millions of immigrants came here the last 15 years with nothing, and many of them have built prosperous lives having started in a turnip field.

ukcarper

These discussions always end up about the work shy and most people would like to see an end to that. But with 20% youth unemployment and a lot of those in employment only working part time, how easy is it for young people who are unfortunate enough to be on their own to find a job paying enough to pay rent and live on.

Joe_Bloggs

Milliband's parents both fled from Poland to eventually end up here. The boys done well.

If you are going to get little or nothing from society then why pay anything towards it. If you grow up accustomed to handouts then you will not feel the incentive to make your own way.

Universal benefit was meant to solve this but this was just a pipe dream from a failed politician described as one of Yoda's testicles on the BBC.

There may be an influx of the young and mobile benefit claimants from failing Euro austerity states to contend with in the UK.
J_B.

ukcarper

Sampong wrote: »

Ah well let me explain that to you. The majority of pensioners will have worked hard, contributed to the UK economy, and paid into the tax and national insurance system all their working lives. That's how it is supposed to work, pay something in, and reap the benefits.

The under 25's particular group I think this targets, probably haven't ever done a day's work, see having children as a career choice, and basically put a strain on the taxpayer.

Harsh but fair. Sorry about that.

Well I am one of those people but I’m not so uncaring as to want to deny young people struggling in today’s economic climate help.
Not evertbody claiming housing benefit fit into the category you mention above.

ruggedtoast

I've known people to get their mums to write phony letters to the council pretending they are kicking them out so that they can get a flat to themselves. I'm not saying everyone does it but it happens.

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I've known people to get their mums to write phony letters to the council pretending they are kicking them out so that they can get a flat to themselves. I'm not saying everyone does it but it happens.

I assum they are over 25 as you can only get LHA for a room under that age.

pqrdef

Conrad wrote: »

Girls on Radio 4 today saying they HAD to have HB as thier parents only had a 2 bed flat.

Jeeze how did me and my 3 Brothers ever survive living in a small 3 bed house with parents.

Well obviously, if you ever got lucky, it had to be their place not yours.

CKhalvashi

ukcarper wrote: »

I assum they are over 25 as you can only get LHA for a room under that age.

If privately renting, yes

If a council/HA property, this rule does not apply.

CK

Catapa

I think the Tories are starting the debate from the wrong end. Instead of arguing on how to make poor people poorer, we need to have a debate on how to coerce the longterm unemployed back into work.

The previous, red-green coalition government in Germany created a committee of specialists lead by the HR Office of Volkswagen (Hartz) who had strong links with trade unions. They worked out a programme that helped reduce Germany's unemployment levels from way above Britain's rate of unemployment to well below and is seen by many countries as a modal they try to emulate. But the focus was always on getting people to work and reducing the subsidy on laziness. While some cases of hardship may have been difficult to avoid, the communication didn't start with "we are going to reduce benefits" but "we are sure that more people can work and we want to make sure they do".