Customs and Cigarettes / Tobacco

John_Aloisi

I love threads like these.

HP77

Threads like this are indeed great, as indeed is the forum, as they are a source of information.

You try to educate or help people but they don't want to listen...

Looksguywalker

HP77 wrote: »

Threads like this are indeed great, as indeed is the forum, as they are a source of information.

You try to educate or help people but they don't want to listen...

Patronising nonsense.

Freebirdjussy

HP77 wrote: »

Threads like this are indeed great, as indeed is the forum, as they are a source of information.

You try to educate or help people but they don't want to listen...

You gave false information and are now refusing to acknowledge your "error". My information is correct as can be verified by the ruling in Hoverspeed Limited (and others) v Commissioners of Customs and Excise [2002] EWHC 1630 and the subsequent appeal by HMRC. This was accepted by the UK Government and your own agency, HMRC.

By continuing with your initial stance, you are in no way whatsoever educating anyone with facts. If you are indeed a Customs Officer, l find this reprehensible.

datostar

Freebirdjussy wrote: »

You gave false information and are now refusing to acknowledge your "error". My information is correct as can be verified by the ruling in Hoverspeed Limited (and others) v Commissioners of Customs and Excise [2002] EWHC 1630 and the subsequent appeal by HMRC. This was accepted by the UK Government and your own agency, HMRC.

By continuing with your initial stance, you are in no way whatsoever educating anyone with facts. If you are indeed a Customs Officer, l find this reprehensible.

I think attention should also be drawn to to the Guidance officially given to UKBA Officers :- "When exercising the powers at sections 163 or 163A an officer MUST have reasonable grounds for the initial stop. Officers must not stop someone in the hope of obtaining grounds through questioning to support a subsequent search".

I very much doubt that reasonable grounds exist in the vast number of purely random stops with accompanying 'fishing' questions. 'Reasonable grounds' usually seem to be people having the temerity to actually leave the country and return to it. I have been questioned about the most ludicrous things: e.g. why had I purchased a box of cream cakes in France? (Cake Smuggler?) Why was I 'concealing' exciseable items (beer and tobacco) in the back of my car, which was a hatchback with the parcel shelf removed and the back seats folded down. I had put a travel rug over the shopping in the back because the car had been parked unattended in Calais. (Obvious Bootlegger - concealed items!) I explained to this supersleuth that there were thieves in France as well as in England.