Pre 60 number plate transfers.

mikey72

Good news for classic car enthusiasts, If there is a cherished plate on a pre 60 vehicle, it will become non transferrable from November. Only retention, transfer of numbers "of a type that needs an MOT, or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate" is permitted under the current legislation, So, from November, pre 60 cars fall out of this, whether you choose to test them or not. So no one will be buying old cars purely to scrap, and flog on the registration. Even if you get an old one back on the road, and MOT it, it still can't be subsiquently sold on either. It dies with the car. Maybe there was method in the madness.

[Deleted User]

More like the DVLA want to flog these plates themselves.

vaio

I'm sceptical that anything good for the average punter ever comes from changes in the rules.

Are you suggesting that viable old cars are being scrapped once relieved of their original number plates?

Doesn't seem right to me, surely from a money making point of view the max profit would be to sell the car on again?

Deleted_User wrote: »

More like the DVLA want to flog these plates themselves.

seems much more likely to me

Happytohelp

Just to clarify, the OP is referring to a recent announcement by the government concerning pre-1960 vehicles (as explained here): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18146326

Pre-1960 vehicles will still be able to take part in the cherished transfer scheme. DVLA haven't yet finalised the exact ruling, however it is likely that to take part in the cherished transfer scheme the vehcile will require a voluntary MOT test.

Under current rules DVLA cannot re-issue or re-sell previously issued registration marks.

mikey72

Happytohelp wrote: »

Just to clarify, the OP is referring to a recent announcement by the government concerning pre-1960 vehicles (as explained here): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18146326

Pre-1960 vehicles will still be able to take part in the cherished transfer scheme. DVLA haven't yet finalised the exact ruling, however it is likely that to take part in the cherished transfer scheme the vehcile will require a voluntary MOT test.

Under current rules DVLA cannot re-issue or re-sell previously issued registration marks.

How? The legislation specificaly says transfer is only permitted from "a type that needs an MOT" Pre 60 will not as I explained in my first post, so I'm afraid your clarification is totally incorrect. Pre 60 vehicles will no longer be able to transfer registration plates. I would be interested to see any link to legialation that says otherwise.

wealdroam

mikey72 wrote: »

How? The legislation specificaly says transfer is only permitted from "a type that needs an MOT" Pre 60 will not as I explained in my first post, so I'm afraid your clarification is totally incorrect. Pre 60 vehicles will no longer be able to transfer registration plates. I would be interested to see any link to legialation that says otherwise.

You did explain it in your first post, and that may well be what the current legislation says.

Have you seen anything to say that that restriction is not going to change at the same time as the need for an MOT on a pre-60 car is removed?

A substantiating link would be good.

mikey72

wealdroam wrote: »

You did explain it in your first post, and that may well be what the current legislation says.

Have you seen anything to say that that restriction is not going to change at the same time as the need for an MOT on a pre-60 car is removed?

A substantiating link would be good.

Why should legisaltion change? They're two totally separate items.

Norman_Castle

To transfer the registration number, both vehicles must be:

• registered at the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA)
• available for inspection
• of a type that needs an MOT or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate
• currently taxed

The MOT exemption is based on type, not age.

wealdroam

mikey72 wrote: »

Why should legisaltion change?

Because it was not the intention of the proposal to restrict the tranfer of number plates further.
The intention of the proposal was, and still is, to remove the burden of an MOT from pre-60 vehicles.
I won't go into why that proposal is tabled, as it isn't relevent to the current discussion.

mikey72 wrote: »

They're two totally separate items.

They are not.
As you say, currently when transferring a number, both vehicles must be "of a type that needs an MOT".
How can you possibly say that they are unrelated?

You do understand that this is still only a proposal, don't you?

You might be interested in what The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs says on the subject.
In their June 2012 newsletter they say...

Mike Penning, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport, announced the results of the Historic Vehicles MoT Exemption Review on 21 May 2012. The Department for Transport is in favour of exemption for pre-1960 vehicles and it is proposed this will take effect from 18 November 2012. Owners of exempted vehicles will be able to take them for a voluntary test under the new regulations.

And they go on to say...

The necessity for an MoT test is also enshrined in other regulations such as: first registration on import; as part of the V765 procedure; obtaining an age related mark; transfer of marks; re-licensing from unlicensed etc. In all these circumstances a test is necessary for the protection of fraud, and in the case of the import of vehicles never made in the UK, conformity with Construction and Use regulations. The current Individual Vehicle Approval test would not be appropriate. We will be seeking clarification on these issues.

mikey72

Norman_Castle wrote: »

To transfer the registration number, both vehicles must be:

• registered at the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA)
• available for inspection
• of a type that needs an MOT or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate
• currently taxed

The MOT exemption is based on type, not age.

I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing. Any pre 1960 vehicle is going to be of a type that doesn't need an mot, the whole group will be from November, so I think you are agreeing.

Happytohelp

mikey72 wrote: »

How? The legislation specificaly says transfer is only permitted from "a type that needs an MOT" Pre 60 will not as I explained in my first post, so I'm afraid your clarification is totally incorrect. Pre 60 vehicles will no longer be able to transfer registration plates. I would be interested to see any link to legialation that says otherwise.

I am not clarifying anything. I simply gave you the response fron DVLA.

This is the unedited version:

Thank you for enquiring about the changes to the pre 1960 vehicles and their requirement to hold a valid MOT.

The DVLA are keen to ensure that keepers of those vehicles currently eligible to participate in the Cherished Transfer Scheme can continue to do so. Therefore, the DVLA are considering using the voluntary test criteria that was included in the announcement.

Anyone wishing to participate in the scheme can do so at anytime as long as they meet the criteria.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards