Bad Road Design causes Bad Driving?

LincolnshireYokel

mikey72 wrote: »

. So why is breaking the law with speeding ok with some?

Because:

1. Speed limits are arbitraily drawn up, without any sort of scientific analysis, its all make-it-upas-you-go-along back-of-a-fag-packet guesswork. And thats not good enough.
2. The police, without any mandate from the public or parliament have set about de facto lowering the national speed limit in this country, by assigning and lowering speed limits on thousands and thousands of rural and suburban roads, without any proper debate, justification or reasoned analysis, or even permission.
3. Lowering the speed limit on some roads is then used as an excuse to slap up a speed camera and catch people out, and rake in a few thousand to fill up the coffers and the Chief Constables Bank Account.
4. Speed cameras are not placed to enhance road safety as claimed, which can be proven by statistics and various independent reports. Speed Cameras are a box ticking target filling revenue generating exercise.

SO, the reason speeding law is ignored is because it has no credibity, and the public have no faith in the fairness or intentions of the police.

On another note, one of the major problems with our roads is the habit of the road planners and builders to design bends on single carriageways as sections of a spiral, instead of as they do in the US, sections of a constant radius arc. This alone causes accidents, because it makes one half of the bend curve away faster than the other half.

SHIPSHAPE

LincolnshireYokel wrote: »

Because:

Blah, blah, blah...

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The long and short of it is, some drivers moan about speed limits simply because they are rubbish drivers.

You got to be crap to not see a big yellow box at the side of the road in the first place!:D

mikey72

I have no problems, you speed - you pay. Works absolutely fine for me. Just don't run over the cash cow outside the school. The kids would be upset. And anytime you want to provise a link to the statistics, I'll have a look with interest, until then...........

Harry_Flashman

SHIPSHAPE wrote: »

The long and short of it is, some drivers moan about speed limits simply because they are rubbish drivers.

You got to be crap to not see a big yellow box at the side of the road in the first place!:D

You're quite right in that - where the regulations are followed, it's easy to spot the speed traps and slow down accordingly.

Otherwise, my observance of the speed limit is dependant on the conditions.

mikey72

Harry_Flashman wrote: »

You're quite right in that - where the regulations are followed, it's easy to spot the speed traps and slow down accordingly.

Otherwise, my observance of the speed limit is dependant on the conditions.

Behind you all the way. I've got to be honest, I'll have a few more pints if I think it's quiet, and I won't be slowing for red lights if it's quiet either. Actually, if you're a bit slow, I probably won't be behind you. (I do find the beer makes me a better driver, and I can actually drive faster than I would normally, and no ones caught me yet) Apart from you, not many agree with me, it's good to find someone like minded. Cheers.

LincolnshireYokel

SHIPSHAPE wrote: »

The long and short of it is, some drivers moan about speed limits simply because they are rubbish drivers.

You got to be crap to not see a big yellow box at the side of the road in the first place!:D

well, that took a long reasoned post and ignored most of it. Presumably your crayon was getting too short?

and I take offence at taking my post and replacing it with "Blah, blah, blah.." . At least have the civility to quote my post in full. So f*cking rude and disrespectful

alastairq

well, that took a long reasoned post and ignored most of it.

'Reasoned' it may have been.

Somewhat short on factual evidence, it definitely is!


The Police don't set up permanent speed limits at all.

The national speed limits [both of them] have remained as they were more than 50 years ago.

The complaints about speed detection technologies lie with the simple fact that they can, and do, 'catch all'.

Whereas the individual Police officer enforcing a limit, can only report one individual at a time...in other words, whilst the Officer is 'talking' to one motorist, ten dozen others are flying by flouting the Law.


Speed limits are in place as much to assist others to cope with the individual, on that stretch of road, as they are aimed at that particular individual.

Probably more so, in fact.

The offence of speeding is so vilified simply because it interferes with drivers' ability to do as they please.

drovers [or drivers, if you wish] want to ignore the speed limits because they themselves think it is safe to travel faster...without regard to the needs, or abilities, of any other types of road user.

Speeding is a selfish act.

Complaining about cameras is petulance, pure and simple.

mikey72

LincolnshireYokel wrote: »

well, that took a long reasoned post and ignored most of it. Presumably your crayon was getting too short?

and I take offence at taking my post and replacing it with "Blah, blah, blah.." . At least have the civility to quote my post in full. So f*cking rude and disrespectful

Still waiting for the links to some evidence. Without any, it's just a rant.

Throbbe

LincolnshireYokel wrote: »

Because:

On another note, one of the major problems with our roads is the habit of the road planners and builders to design bends on single carriageways as sections of a spiral, instead of as they do in the US, sections of a constant radius arc. This alone causes accidents, because it makes one half of the bend curve away faster than the other half.

I assume you mean transition curves? See Design Manual for Roads & Bridges, TD9/93, Paragraph 3.15 - http://www.dft.gov.uk/ha/standards/dmrb/vol6/section1/td993.pdf

I'm not hugely familiar with the US equivalent, but I'm certain the AASHTO guides include transition curves. Edit - better reference here - http://www.webs1.uidaho.edu/niatt_labmanual/Chapters/geometricdesign/professionalpractice/TransitionSegments.htm

I also strongly suspect (but haven't checked) that our casualty rates per vehicle km on motorways and trunk roads compare favourably to the same values in the US. I know we have a better record than other european countries.

Harry_Flashman

alastairq wrote: »

The national speed limits [both of them] have remained as they were more than 50 years ago.

Not so old chap, I remember the dual carriageway limit changing to 70. I can't remember how long ago this was but I passed my test in '86 and I'm sure it was after that.