Driver in overtaking lane at 65mph

Noctu

Something I've wondered about undertaking - say you're in a 3 lane carriageway, the leftmost lane being only for a certain junction further down, and the other two lanes 'as normal'.

If you were travelling in the leftmost lane in order to take the junction off, and passed the vehicle to your right, is that undertaking or is this OK?

mikey72

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

Drive just inside them so that they can't change lane, especially when they want to get off the motorway. Annoys the hell out of them when they wake up to the Impreza six inches from their boot.

I don't see you there either, so I just indicate left, count to ten, and switch lanes. Then brake when I see you.

hareng

Good question Noctu and awaiting same answer.
On usual journey there are places like this and totally unnecessary. What they do is enter A road dual carriageway 60 mph limit and straight across to overtaking lane usually at 30 to 40 mph slowing artics etc down all because they have to get over in 2 1/4 miles.
Lane markings start around 1 mile on an uphill before actual exit, in effect making a single lane, most pull over well before markings start around 30 to 40 mph as you were all ready overtaking them.

Its only been recent i have started to undertake if thats the right terminology, or just linger at their speed on inside proper lane. Might even put front level with their door to show theres more than one lane use it. Ashamedly thats when a little anger sets in, cant teach the selfish.

What i have seen more and more lately is others taking my view. Same lane to turn off left, leave it late before moving over just to make a point of the local road legislation. It used to be a full on dual carriageway.
Slip roads now join as their own lane last 6 years (inside lane) now imaging trying to exit next junction 1/2 mile ahead with them going faster on inside lane 50mph+ than 10 cars and lorries in front in your lane around 30 to 35mph that was single file previous. Brainless planners.

Obukit

Bizarrely one of my wife's work colleagues thought that on a dual carriageway you should "choose a lane and stick to it", and use to get very annoyed at people "changing lanes all the time to overtake".

I followed her once on the A34 in rush hour - a very busy dual carriageway - and suffice to say she caused traffic chaos behind her.

Unfortunately the kind of stupid driver who sits in the outside lane is also the kind who does stupid things if you flash your lights to overtake them, as they tend to think they're being super-sensible and it's their job to police the road by brake testing you. Although it's not a great option I now undertake them quickly, paying attention to make sure they don't do anything stupid when I pass.

LincolnshireYokel

Apparently the Police are going to start cracking down on middle lane hogs and tailgaters, according to the Transport Secretary, £90 and 3 points. The Cash Cow rolls on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159522/Drivers-face-90-spot-fine-points-wrong-lane-tailgating.html

Tilt

LincolnshireYokel wrote: »

Apparently the Police are going to start cracking down on middle lane hogs and tailgaters, according to the Transport Secretary, £90 and 3 points. The Cash Cow rolls on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159522/Drivers-face-90-spot-fine-points-wrong-lane-tailgating.html

About time too. If people use the motorway correctly they will have nothing to worry about.

Lum

Except it's going to be down to a matter of opinion, with no burden of proof and a very high risk course of action for anyone who tries to challenge it.

Sgt_Pepper_2

LincolnshireYokel wrote: »

Apparently the Police are going to start cracking down on middle lane hogs and tailgaters, according to the Transport Secretary, £90 and 3 points. The Cash Cow rolls on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159522/Drivers-face-90-spot-fine-points-wrong-lane-tailgating.html

More dM carp.

Tickets are £60.

NBLondon

Noctu wrote: »

Something I've wondered about undertaking - say you're in a 3 lane carriageway, the leftmost lane being only for a certain junction further down, and the other two lanes 'as normal'.

If you were travelling in the leftmost lane in order to take the junction off, and passed the vehicle to your right, is that undertaking or is this OK?

I'd say that's OK - you are in moving lanes and your lane is going faster then the lane to your right. My definition of undertaking is the same as forgotmyname.

I think hareng has a point about where this sort of road layout is badly designed. The point at which you should start to move over is when the first signs appear. If that isn't the best place for people to start moving over - then maybe the signs are in the wrong place for the amount of traffic. I see this on the southbound approach to the Blackwall Tunnel (A12). Lane 1 goes onto the A13 and Lanes 2 & 3 into the tunnel (A102). In rush hour, Lane 1 moves 10-15mph faster so you can a) move over early and sit in slower traffic b) indicate to move over at the sign and hope someone lets you in c) move over at the last minute and barge in. a) and b) may impede traffic behind you which does want the A13 and c) makes you look like an arrogant !!!!!!!!.

In fact, the lane markings suggest you should be moving over some way before you can actually see the overhead sign so someone on their first time in the area would have to take option b). Plus traffic joining from the industrial estates theoretically has to go straight to Lane 2 if they want to go South of the River. It's a mess whatever option you take...

almillar

The IAM Course is based on the 'Roadcraft' book, which is used to train the police, minus the fun stuff like chases and skid pans! It's from the 60s. I don't like the idea that people drive round expecting aggressiveness every time. I do understand that it may have happened to someone every single time, but I still think that, in this example, you should try the flash first, and maybe, just maybe, educate or wake someone up!