what's the difference between a joiner and a carpenter?

leveller2911

john.h wrote: »

And usually the joiner gets paid a lot less...:D

Depends on the quality of work.I earn far more money making Joinery than I ever did as a chippy, I guess its down to the fact it costs a fair bit to set up a workshop whereas a chippy generally just needs his tools and a van so many either can't do the work or can't afford the setup costs.

Its a real shame there are no real apprenticeships now and as a result the general quality of work is poor.It amazes me how many so called chippies can't pitch a traditionally cut roof.Unless its a truss roof they are out of their depth which is a real shame and if they can't use their Pasloads they're not interested.......:rotfl:

leveller2911

john.h wrote: »

In the North-East you you never hear of a carpenter.. Its bench hand joiner, joiner (1st & 2nd fix, kitchens etc), shop fitter and shuttering joiner..

John...

Its strange how different areas use different terms, all slightly corrupted wonder who was first in thinking it up ... My Grandpappy was a chippy in West Auckland and walked down on the Jarrow march in the 30,s and if he had kept on walking South he would have got wet, luckily he stopped just short of the Channel.....

john.h

leveller2911 wrote: »

Depends on the quality of work.I earn far more money making Joinery than I ever did as a chippy, I guess its down to the fact it costs a fair bit to set up a workshop whereas a chippy generally just needs his tools and a van so many either can't do the work or can't afford the setup costs.

Its a real shame there are no real apprenticeships now and as a result the general quality of work is poor.It amazes me how many so called chippies can't pitch a traditionally cut roof.Unless its a truss roof they are out of their depth which is a real shame and if they can't use their Pasloads they're not interested.......:rotfl:

if its your own company then its different. Working for a company the wages are a lot less for a bench hand joiner..
I hate trussed roofs, boring work...

John..

leveller2911

john.h wrote: »

if its your own company then its different. Working for a company the wages are a lot less for a bench hand joiner..
I hate trussed roofs, boring work...

John..

Yep ,theres no skill in a stick roof but people still get them wrong......

I worked for a company for 10yrs and the Joiners and chippies were all on the same money apart from the Foreman Carpenter and Joinery workshop foreman.Good times as I got the best of both worlds.We use to do a lot of National Trust and Church work ,loved working on site then and miss that.

Are you self employed John?, busy ?

john.h

Yes self employed, very busy. Doing a lot of extensions and a lot of work in schools.... Getting sick of the sight of ash veneered fire doors and beech classroom furniture


John

leveller2911

john.h wrote: »

Yes self employed, very busy. Doing a lot of extensions and a lot of work in schools.... Getting sick of the sight of ash veneered fire doors and beech classroom furniture


John

Least the firechecks are lighter these days, I use to hate hanging them,killed my arms......... Do you wear ear defenders all day as proetction from screaming kids?...

I've just finished 2 Cedar Glasshouses and I either got soaked from the rain or sunburnt, nothing in between, marvelous English summer ...

john.h

leveller2911 wrote: »

Least the firechecks are lighter these days, I use to hate hanging them,killed my arms......... Do you wear ear defenders all day as proetction from screaming kids?...

I've just finished 2 Cedar Glasshouses and I either got soaked from the rain or sunburnt, nothing in between, marvelous English summer ...

The doors are okay fitting them when its in new casings, its just a pain fitting them in the original 30 year old casings. I think some of the joiners then never knew what a straight edge or spirit level was.
Screaming kids are okay, its more like keeping a big of 2x1 to hit them with when they try to pinch your tools.
I'm putting a roof on tomorrow (not trussed ) hopefully the weather stays okay but i doubt it will...
Im guessing you are keeping busy?

John...

Russe11

Then theres handymen who can do it all plus more :cool:

leveller2911

john.h wrote: »

The doors are okay fitting them when its in new casings, its just a pain fitting them in the original 30 year old casings. I think some of the joiners then never knew what a straight edge or spirit level was.
Screaming kids are okay, its more like keeping a big of 2x1 to hit them with when they try to pinch your tools.
I'm putting a roof on tomorrow (not trussed ) hopefully the weather stays okay but i doubt it will...
Im guessing you are keeping busy?

John...

I like the look of a traditional cut n pitch roof, shame to cover up the timber work..Did the weather hold out?.
lol, every 5 minutes, "what ya doing mister?, whats that for, why you doing that ?, whats your name? etc etc etc .

I'm keeping busy, booked up for about 12 weeks so I can't complain. Next job is 4 fitted wardrobes, then 7 box sash windows and a curved top door and frame.

leveller2911

Russe11 wrote: »

Then theres handymen who can do it all plus more :cool:

Ok I believe you, that said I've never seen a handyman make a staircase or pitch a roof so I guess the "Handymen" in your area must be the dogs danglies......;)