Random breath tests!

Trebor16

colino wrote: »

While the Police can and do magic up reasons to pull over cars that they, through their experience, feel the car or driver are worthy of checking, doesn't make it right.

They don't have to "magic up reasons" while they have section 163 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.

Crabman

spugzbunny wrote: »

Can we say that in the UK? Does everyone you know never have a drink before driving? I can honestly say on an average works drink night there's always at least 1 or 2 who have had 2, 3 or 4 pints then driven home.

Yes we can.

All it takes is one phone call from you/a colleague to give police the name/description of the alleged drink driver(s) along with the reg number(s) and location of the car(s) being used. This happens much more often than you think.

If they're over the limit they probably won't be your colleagues for very long. Unless they're Georgie Thompson and work for Sky in which case they'll get promoted after a drink-driving conviction.

SmallL

The only time i have been pulled over (more specifically my OH) was when we were returning home from hospital after OH's mum had passed away.
Of course we were both grief stricken and neither of us actually drinks any alcohol because we dont like the taste! (strange for two 18 year olds)

Honeydog

Trebor16 wrote: »

The PNC check will tell them who the registered keeper and if there is an insurance policy in relation to the vehicle (and if the MOT is current). It won't tell them who is driving the car at that precise moment in time so they would still need to stop the car to establish that.

Did you read the post I quoted? He made the point that they use the 'checking tax/insurance' excuse to stop someone and get close enough to smell alcohol.

I pointed out that they do not need to stop someone to check those details as they can be done on the move.

Then you said PNC wouldn't tell them who was driving...... I never said that it would.

Maybe you read a different post?

Who told you PNC gives MOT details?

Honeydog

colino wrote: »

First of all, I do not drink and drive. That said, I cannot believe the number of people who think that it is OK for the Police to randomly/on a whim pull drivers over for a "spot check".

I don't think in this day and age there are enough bobbies to pull people on a whim!

But you'd be amazed at the defects you can find with a car when you start looking closely.

Trebor16

Honeydog wrote: »

Did you read the post I quoted? He made the point that they use the 'checking tax/insurance' excuse to stop someone and get close enough to smell alcohol.

I was responding to what you said which was this:-

"They can do that without stopping you. They just drive behind you and do a moving vehicle PNC check. "

Honeydog wrote:

I pointed out that they do not need to stop someone to check those details as they can be done on the move.

How can an officer check who that the person on the move that the insurance details on the PNC relate to the person who is driving the car?

Honeydpg wrote:

Then you said PNC wouldn't tell them who was driving...... I never said that it would.

Maybe you read a different post?

No, but your suggested that an officer can get all the details they need to know about the insurance and tax by doing a PNC check on the move. Can they tell that the person driving the vehicle is the person named in the insurance policy info? No they can't.

Honeydog wrote:

Who told you PNC gives MOT details?

PNC tells you the expiry date of the MOT if the vehicle has a currrent MOT, though some forces have opted not to have this information available.

BenjaG

The exclusion is not that watertight. There are many ways to get around it and I welcome that the police are doing it. Unfortunately far too many people are not responsible enought to be trusted with a tonne of metal moved by a combustion engine with the power of a hundred horses. Drink and drive don't mix!

Honeydog

Trebor16 wrote: »

I was responding to what you said which was this:-

"They can do that without stopping you. They just drive behind you and do a moving vehicle PNC check. "



How can an officer check who that the person on the move that the insurance details on the PNC relate to the person who is driving the car?



No, but your suggested that an officer can get all the details they need to know about the insurance and tax by doing a PNC check on the move. Can they tell that the person driving the vehicle is the person named in the insurance policy info? No they can't.



PNC tells you the expiry date of the MOT if the vehicle has a currrent MOT, though some forces have opted not to have this information available.

Since I have promised the forum team that I will play nicely from now on I am not going to get involved in any further conversations with you and will put you on ignore. You can 'play' with other people.

Goodbye.

Trebor16

Honeydog wrote: »

Since I have promised the forum team that I will play nicely from now on I am not going to get involved in any further conversations with you and will put you on ignore. You can 'play' with other people.

Goodbye.

I'm just querying the accuracy of information you are presenting to the board. That's not playing, that's making sure people have the correct information. If you find it difficult to cope with people challenging you when you present incorrect information then perhaps the MSE forums are not the place for you.

Honeydog

Fact remains most innocent people don't object to being stopped. It takes maybe a minute or two. At the end of the day it benefits everyone if drink drivers are caught however the method. And if people have defective tyres which are picked up and pointed out in a routine stop then it probably saves their life. You'd be surprised at the state of some tyres! And no it isn't a moneymaking scheme as many are dealt with by VDRS.