Debate on sorting the EU economy out!

ChiefGrasscutter

To act as a single country you have to reach the situation where you start to have similar cultural attitudes, a common language and all the rest of the things that go with being a single entity......such as common legal, fiscal, politital, economic. taxation systems.

pqrdef

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

To act as a single country you have to reach the situation where you start to have similar cultural attitudes, a common language and all the rest of the things that go with being a single entity......such as common legal, fiscal, politital, economic. taxation systems.

Since when? Britain has retained two legal systems since the union of England and Scotland. Many countries manage without a common language, and as for cultural attitudes, tell the Afrikaners or the Israeli Arabs or the Inuit or gypsies.

The UK is one of the most homogeneous countries in the world, but it's not at all typical.

lostinrates

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

To act as a single country you have to reach the situation where you start to have similar cultural attitudes, a common language and all the rest of the things that go with being a single entity......such as common legal, fiscal, politital, economic. taxation systems.

many countries have disparity of cultural attitudes and language, i would disagree this is necessarily necessary!

But otherwise, it is true that the fiscal and legal disparity, and in deed attitude toward those things is incredible disparate, as we see, its ok when things are generally good, but in the hard times unions need to...unite, not pull apart.

CLAPTON

pqrdef wrote: »

Since when? Britain has retained two legal systems since the union of England and Scotland. Many countries manage without a common language, and as for cultural attitudes, tell the Afrikaners or the Israeli Arabs or the Inuit or gypsies.

The UK is one of the most homogeneous countries in the world, but it's not at all typical.

I'm sure I was reading something about a fringe extremist party called SNP..but it will never amount to anything

A._Badger

pqrdef wrote: »

Disastrous. This is the 21st century, we can't rerun the 19th. Europe can't possibly compete with the rest of the world if we're wasting our resources and energies competing with each other..

I hope nobody informs the rapidly achieving economies of happily nationalistic Asian countries that this is the case.

The problems facing the West are those of a profound lack of competitiveness in the face of leaner, younger, poorer, fitter and more fiercely capitalistic nations, hungrily competing with one another. .

You don't counter that by forming a loose association of jarring incompatibles on the say-so of yet more misty-eyed theorists.

There is also the increasing frustration in the West at the remoteness, not to say complete irrelevance, of the political class which rules us.

When wiser heads are looking at a Swiss-style canton model, enabling people to have more power over their destinies, to be advocating an ever more centralised model which will be run by even more unelected imbeciles like the entirely unelected 'Baroness' Ashton, is teetering on the edge of face.

Procrastinator333

CLAPTON wrote: »

in my view greece needs

1. in the league of corrupt countries, Greece is ranked with Pakistan: they need to change this
2. they need to start collecting taxes like other civilised countries
3. they need to free their own vigour and seek to exploit their natural advantages and stop being a dependent state of the EU.
Think: why has tourist revenue dropped 30% in the last 10 years; maybe because it was easier to milk the EU instead; so there was no incentive to improve the tourist experience; I've no plans to go there, has anyone else?
4. maybe default on their debts too because they have left it too late for anything else b ut there will be a huge price to pay so it's not any obvious solution
5. stop spending huge sums on their defence forces

Don't disagree with that, but it all needs to happen along with a full default.

And a default is guaranteed. The only thing that remains is the argument over whether Greece is pushed out, or if it chooses to leave. Greek politicians will want to be pushed out - it then gives them someone else to blame for the mess that will follow.

pqrdef

A._Badger wrote: »

When wiser heads are looking at a Swiss-style canton model, enabling people to have more power over their destinies, to be advocating an ever more centralised model which will be run by even more unelected imbeciles like the entirely unelected 'Baroness' Ashton, is teetering on the edge of face.

Money is power. We must hope we'll be happy being poor.

chewmylegoff

CKhalvashi wrote: »

As we’ve done the house prices to death on these boards, I thought I’d give something a little different a go.

Here’s a discussion on the general economy as a whole, and what we can do to boost the UK and EU economies as a whole, whilst creating jobs, sustainability and keeping interest rates reasonable.

I’m going to introduce myself, before we go any further. I’m a young-ish Company Director with a young family, heavily involved with local politics within East Hertfordshire and of an Eastern European background (I was born in the Soviet Union).

Some views that I have, I know are not going to be popular, however will increase the long-term sustainability of the UK and EU as a whole. Please discuss any matters that may be of concern to you, and I’ll research and reply. If anything is worthy of being taken to my local MP for further debate, I will do so.

CK

halve public spending, halve taxes (including abolishing corporation tax). job done.

pqrdef

chewmylegoff wrote: »

halve public spending, halve taxes (including abolishing corporation tax). job done.

You mean, go back to a subsistence farming economy? We all scratch a living on our allotments? There won't be any taxes, but I suppose they can tithe our turnips.

Thrugelmir

The_J wrote: »

I'm going to agree with Thrugelmir for once. Political union had to happen first and monetary/fiscal union afterwards.

I'm off to the fridge......... :beer: