Parking Permits

wizzywig27

benham3160 wrote: »

It might be a disparity between the regulations, it might be different for commercial vehicles (which are normally calculated on gross weight), have you checked this?

As said though, it sounds more like you don't want the person parking outside your house, rather than an actual concern for vehicle weights, if the guy is just trying to make a living, it maybe will be difficult to get him to park elsewhere unless there is somewhere more obvious to park.

3.5T sounds reasonable, it's the point where a van stops being a "van" and becomes an HGV according to the DVLA, as a guide the normal ambulances you see with boxes on the back (Merc Sprinters for example) normally have a 5.5T gross mass, so these are classed as a small HGV.

Regards,
Andy

Thanks for your advice

There are a number of reasons for my complaint, one is the fact he takes up two spaces, two the manner in which he spoke to my partner because she dared to park behind his van, and three because he parks in front of my house.

Tilt

peter_the_piper wrote: »

Depends on the type of bay.

A normal car on street parking size one. Y'know... one that you would be hard pressed to fit a twin wheeled transit into.

madjay

The fact that you pay a parking permit at £25 per year, does give you the right to park outside you house nor does it give you the right to chose who does car, bike or van. All it does give you is the right to park in the permit area if there is a space. If he's complying with the council's T&Cs with regards to the parking permit there is nothing you can do.

wizzywig27

madjay wrote: »

The fact that you pay a parking permit at £25 per year, does give you the right to park outside you house nor does it give you the right to chose who does car, bike or van. All it does give you is the right to park in the permit area if there is a space. If he's complying with the council's T&Cs with regards to the parking permit there is nothing you can do.

That's my point, I am questioning wether he is (did you read my posts above?)

Tilt

wizzywig27 wrote: »

That's my point, I am questioning wether he is (did you read my posts above?)

If the van dosn't fit into one space (within the markings), then no, he probably isn't.

wizzywig27

Tilt wrote: »

If the van dosn't fit into one space (within the markings), then no, he probably isn't.

But the official response from the LA is if his wheels are flush with the kerb with no space then it is fine and there is no set length to a vehicle!

paddedjohn

Tilt wrote: »

A normal car on street parking size one. Y'know... one that you would be hard pressed to fit a twin wheeled transit into.

Most 3.5tonners are single wheel now days and some are smaller than some cars on the road.

Lum

Can you post the make, model and year of the van in question, then we can look up the actual unladen and gross weights.

wizzywig27 wrote: »

So, for arguments sake our Ford Focus weighs 1200kg (unladen) - and the LA states that maximum unladed is 1525kg why are they referring to the gross weight? Are they saying unladen can exceed 1525kg as long as gross does not exceed 3500kg?

It's quite simple...
If the vehicle exceeds a 1525kg unladen weight, then they can't issue a permit.
If the vehicle exceeds a 3500kg gross weight they they also can't issue a permit.
One of both of these conditions is enough to refuse a permit.

So if you had a car that weighed 1600kg but was only allowed to carry 400kg. This car could not be issued a permit because it's unladen weight is over the permitted limit, even though it's gross weight of 2000kg is under that limit.

If you had a magical pickup truck made out of unobtanium so it weighs only 1500kg, but it can carry 2100kg of load (bringing it up to a gross weight of 3600kg) this could also not be given a permit because the gross weight is under 3500kg, even though the unladen weight is within limits.

Chances are though, such a vehicle would also be available in a form that's plated for 2000kg. This would mean that although it is physically capable of handling more, it legally can only reach a gross weight of 3500kg, allowing it to be classed as a van rather than an HGV. This would then be issued with a permit.

Tilt

wizzywig27 wrote: »

But the official response from the LA is if his wheels are flush with the kerb with no space then it is fine and there is no set length to a vehicle!

Well where I live, the vehicle must be within the bay. If it extends into the next bay, it needs two permits. If the offside wheels protrude over the bay markings, it gets a PCN.

I can only suggest that you take the matter up with your local councilor then.

wizzywig27

Lum wrote: »

Can you post the make, model and year of the van in question, then we can look up the actual unladen and gross weights.



It's quite simple...
If the vehicle exceeds a 1525kg unladen weight, then they can't issue a permit.
If the vehicle exceeds a 3500kg gross weight they they also can't issue a permit.
One of both of these conditions is enough to refuse a permit.

So if you had a car that weighed 1600kg but was only allowed to carry 400kg. This car could not be issued a permit because it's unladen weight is over the permitted limit, even though it's gross weight of 2000kg is under that limit.

If you had a magical pickup truck made out of unobtanium so it weighs only 1500kg, but it can carry 2100kg of load (bringing it up to a gross weight of 3600kg) this could also not be given a permit because the gross weight is under 3500kg, even though the unladen weight is within limits.

Chances are though, such a vehicle would also be available in a form that's plated for 2000kg. This would mean that although it is physically capable of handling more, it legally can only reach a gross weight of 3500kg, allowing it to be classed as a van rather than an HGV. This would then be issued with a permit.

Thank you for that.

The LA advised me that weight obtained from the DVLA confirm the van has a gross weight of 3500kg, no mention of the unladen weight?