MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

nannytone_2

because a disabled person has no CHOICE.
someone on JSA always has the hope that they will find a job. and if in the short term they don't, the can soend as much time as necessary hunting down the best bargains.
someone who has children has had them through CHOICE, but the children are supported regardless, as it isnt the child's fault.
nor is it the disabled persons fault. clothes wear out and necessary appliances ( fridge/cooker/washingmachines) break down.
disabled people are far more likely to need benefits for longer periods than able bodied people, and so have to be able to save a little for when things go wrong.

maybe you would be happier living somewhere that lets the healthy and wealthy flourish and the old, sick, disabled and young fend for themselves?

bigboybrother

dktreesea wrote: »

Why should the disabled have access to so much more money than someone on JSA?

It too amazes me and I am one of those fortunate to be accepted as being disabled and sick by the DWP.

I'm not going to complain about what I get - I am entitled to every penny according to the law.

But I will admit that what we do get is obscene when compared to what a JSA claimant received.

Until they change the law on what I and other disabled people can claim for, I will carry on with my legitimate claims.

bigboybrother

LunaLady wrote: »

Because people on JSA have the ability to change their situation for the better, whereas many disabled people cannot.

Why can't the disabled change their situation? If you are talking about work, DLA is paid for those in and out of work.

If I really wanted to, there is no reason why I could not go back to work and earn a very respectable salary for say 16 hours a week.
The reason I don't is two fold. One because I have had it with work, 44 years was 1 day too long. I've paid in so I feel justified in taking out!
Secondly, until this government sort out the level of 'income' that we enjoy because of the disability and age, there is no need to go back to work, not when our income is very similar in net terms to what I was earning when I was working. i wouldn't be financially better off so why volunteer for the stress of working?

Having a disability doesn't change our life, it just makes having to deal with it in a different way.
As an example, we always used to go abroad for our twice yearly holidays. We can't anymore due to insurance problems. So having seen very little of the UK, we have bought ourselves a new 2 berth caravan and can go as and when we like for as long as we like.

nannytone_2

JSA is designed to be a short term thing ( not at the moment though) and is [aid at a level to sustain life ( as opposed to be 'liveable')
sickness/disability is paid at a higher rate as [ep[;e are likely to be required to live on it in the longer term.

not all disabled people receive the high rates of benefit, and it doesnt always reflect how debilitating their condition is, as receiving ESA?DLA is about ticking boxes more than how severely the claimant is impacted

nannytone_2

bigboybrother wrote: »

Why can't the disabled change their situation? If you are talking about work, DLA is paid for those in and out of work.

If I really wanted to, there is no reason why I could not go back to work and earn a very respectable salary for say 16 hours a week.
The reason I don't is two fold. One because I have had it with work, 44 years was 1 day too long. I've paid in so I feel justified in taking out!
Secondly, until this government sort out the level of 'income' that we enjoy because of the disability and age, there is no need to go back to work, not when our income is very similar in net terms to what I was earning when I was working. i wouldn't be financially better off so why volunteer for the stress of working?

if you COULD go back to work then you SHOULD.
14 years out of a working life of 50 years isnt a wwhole lot, so dont feel quite so justified!

i cant change my situation as it is impossible for me to regain my sight.
i worked for 30 years nefore i could no longer manage.... and would happily go back to work tomorrow if someione would employ me.
when my children were young i did mainly shop work, topped up with bar work when they were with their dad at weekends.
i then worked for DIAL for 4 years. but you need to be able to see to fill in forms and put appeals together as the system is paper based.
i live in hope that i will find work, but i'm not holsing my breath

bigboybrother

nannytone wrote: »

if you COULD go back to work then you SHOULD.
14 years out of a working life of 50 years isnt a wwhole lot, so dont feel quite so justified!

i cant change my situation as it is impossible for me to regain my sight.
i worked for 30 years nefore i could no longer manage.... and would happily go back to work tomorrow if someione would employ me.
when my children were young i did mainly shop work, topped up with bar work when they were with their dad at weekends.
i then worked for DIAL for 4 years. but you need to be able to see to fill in forms and put appeals together as the system is paper based.
i live in hope that i will find work, but i'm not holsing my breath

Why??? Don't you think that 44 years is long enough - and I mean 44 years with no break for unemployment or sickness!!!
It would have been 44 years and a half had it not been for being sick for those last 6 months.

We have a comfortable life now that I am retired - why would I want to change that?

nannytone_2

i heard it as 14 years

but even so... if someone CAN work... why shouldnt they?
rather than cut benefits for people that dont have any CHOICE

bigboybrother

nannytone wrote: »

i heard it as 14 years

but even so... if someone CAN work... why shouldnt they?
rather than cut benefits for people that dont have any CHOICE

I presume your idea of life is 'work until you drop'?? That would of course save a lot of money. There would be no need for me to draw my State Pension as I would be earning more than enough without it.

What does get to me is when people say that they have had a working life of 44 years only to find out that for one reason or another they have only actually worked for maybe 30 of those years - the rest they have spent drawing benefits! And before anybody brings women into the argument I am NOT including them in that statement - they have other responsibilities instead - being a mum is a full time job on it's own that is so easilly disregarded.

A simple question - when do you think that it is right to give up work? When you are too sick, ill and disabled to do anything else?

nannytone_2

in your case yes you should. you openly admit to having 2 daughters who aSo based on these comments, defrauding the system

" I should inform the DWP that my single mother daughter has the childrens' father round to stay in the house. They are accepted by all of the family as being together, yet she claims she is single and claims IS?

Should I also inform the DWP about my other daughter that still claims to be a single mum, claims WTC on that basis and HB/CTB as well yet lives with her partner?"

maybe it would help to redress the balance of what your family wrongly takes from the system.

KxMx

bigboybrother wrote: »

But I will admit that what we do get is obscene when compared to what a JSA claimant received.

Every person on JSA has the potential to get a job and improve their situation.

Not every person getting disability benefits has that luxury.

For ESA there is an assessment phase paid at a rate on par with JSA, which you can only get if your GP agrees you can't work by issuing Fit Notes. After the ATOS medical you are then passed as unfit for work which means the higher rate kicks in.

Lower rate DLA is also being abolished and the criteria for high/middle rate tightened up.

So many will get their wish.

bigboybrother wrote: »

Why can't the disabled change their situation? If you are talking about work, DLA is paid for those in and out of work.

If I really wanted to, there is no reason why I could not go back to work and earn a very respectable salary for say 16 hours a week.
The reason I don't is two fold. One because I have had it with work, 44 years was 1 day too long. I've paid in so I feel justified in taking out!
Secondly, until this government sort out the level of 'income' that we enjoy because of the disability and age, there is no need to go back to work, not when our income is very similar in net terms to what I was earning when I was working. i wouldn't be financially better off so why volunteer for the stress of working?

Having a disability doesn't change our life, it just makes having to deal with it in a different way.
As an example, we always used to go abroad for our twice yearly holidays. We can't anymore due to insurance problems. So having seen very little of the UK, we have bought ourselves a new 2 berth caravan and can go as and when we like for as long as we like.

I'm genuinely glad being disabled has not changed your life for the worse. You are very lucky but don't assume every disabled person is the same. Going on a holiday my goodness, even if I could afford it all I can manage is 2 hours round my Nan's once or twice a month and then it's 3 days in bed to recover! Once a week if I am lucky to do things like banking, supermarket. That's the sum of what I do outside my home. Not to mention not having the energy to get dressed if I am not going out. I could go on here but it's pretty boring!