Hospital staff paying £20 a month yet received 2 PCN in 2 days!!

juliee8

Hi all, Im new to this but in need of advice. I am a nurse at local hospital. I pay £20 per month to park in staff car park. I walk most of the time, but take my car when on a late shift or on call. New permits were issued for collection when I was on leave. I have been over to the "office" several times to find nobody available to issue new permit. I currently display 2011 permit. BUT, they have continued to take £20 per month out of my wages to pay for car park. (evidenced on my pay slip) In the last 2 days I have received 2 PCN's for £50, despite displaying a note in my car stating I am trying to get a current permit, and am still on the paying system. Do I appeal? Do I pay up? Do I pay up twice??
please help!!
Many thanks J

give_them_FA

I am presuming this is a private parking company, if so- Don't do anything. If you have paid for a permit but they have not given you one whose fault is that?

Remember if it is a private parking company the drone probably couldn't read your note anyway. Most monkeys can't.

End of day fault not yours do not pay there is no way they can even think about enforcing it.

If it were me, I would go in that office with my Mr Angry hat on and not leave until I had got the new permit, and the tickets cancelled.

I know you are a nurse but you are being TOO nice!

peter_the_piper

Carry on trying to get the ticket, tell your union rep the sorry tale. Ignore is the normal advice.

Coupon-mad

juliee8 wrote: »

Do I appeal? Do I pay up? Do I pay up twice??

None of the above!

bondy_lad

nout to worry about here,, just ignore these clowns, but ,yes, certainly inform your union rep,,if ur in rcn tell them to read up on the net,,,parking charge notice scams,,if ur in unison, then do the same, but no doubt they would be more forward than the rcn as often rcn can be,,well,,lets say,,to nice.i know was in the rcn for over 30 years.

juliee8

Thank you guys. I have now got a new permit after another 2 visits! However, having read up on the terms and conditions. "Failure to comply will lead to disciplinary action"! SO if I dont pay the 2 tickets, then I can expect a disciplinary hearing??? Not really fancying that!! Shall I appeal in the interim? That way it does buy me a bit of time? Oh blimey, Ive never had a parking/speeding ticket so I am a bit freaked by this!
Thanks again J :-)

Spirit_2

Appeal.

That you have been paying demonstrates that you have had no intention of acting outside of your Trust's policies.

That you have had parking fines is understandable as you have not been displaying a legit permit.

On balance you have a strong case for getting the fines overturned.

give_them_FA

Don't waste your time appealing to the parking company. They never grant appeals because their only interest is taking your money, not "doing the right thing".

How could you be subject to disciplinary action? Don't you have a union?

You paid a fee for the right to park your car, they accepted that fee but then failed to provide you with what you were paying them for?
So, is that your fault or theirs? Which one of the two contracting parties fulfilled their part of the contract? And they want to fine YOU because THEY fouled up? Do not be cowed by them, do you not have an effective union...
Treat that with the contempt it deserves is my view. It seems plain that any term or condition that sought to punish you on those facts could not be upheld. I would say that (even if they ever did apply it) it was intended to cover where you have parked dangerously or obstructing emergency services.

PS cross-posted with you, Spirit, we generally advise people not to bother appealing because firstly they may reveal who was driving, and second, as I have said, it is a heads against brick wall job.

Coupon-mad

Spirit wrote: »

Appeal.

Whaaaaaaatt?? No, this is a fake PCN, a scam! You called them 'fines' so it's clear you haven't been on this forum long enough to have read about this con.

There is no appeal and it only serves to give the PPC some info including the name & address of the driver. Why on earth would anyone be daft enough to do that - it would be like completing a form linked to an email from your 'Bank' asking for your PIN number!

The disciplinary threat is just hot air because they cannot hold an employee responsibile for an unpaid fake PCN attached to a car driven by an unknown driver.

We have had LOADS of hospital staff come on here and ask the same question as juliee8. Some posters here whose relatives work in hospitals have ignored dozens of fake PCNs. None have suffered disciplinary action and if it was tried it would fail.

esmerobbo

Don't appeal to the PPC TELL the trust to get them squashed, they have been paid for your parking made it difficult for you to get your permit, and now have a parasite PPC harassing you!

Trebor16

juliee8 wrote: »

Thank you guys. I have now got a new permit after another 2 visits! However, having read up on the terms and conditions. "Failure to comply will lead to disciplinary action"! SO if I dont pay the 2 tickets, then I can expect a disciplinary hearing??? Not really fancying that!! Shall I appeal in the interim? That way it does buy me a bit of time? Oh blimey, Ive never had a parking/speeding ticket so I am a bit freaked by this!
Thanks again J :-)

What terms and conditions are these? Do they honestly think that by issuing T's and C's that they can force a member of staff into paying an unenforceable invoice? The fact is that they have no power to issue fines in the first instance. You have been paying for your permit and you have proof on your payslips, so what could they discipline you for? Not for non payment, that's for sure.