How long to accrue holidays?

Torry_Quine

LittleVoice wrote: »

Sounds to me as though you have either been very unfortunate in your choice of employer or you have not understood.

I've been paid for holidays in every job I've had for the last fifty years whether or not I'd worked for them for six months at the time of the holiday.

I would say you were the fortunate one. In the late eighties my cousin got no holiday pay for the first year he worked for the local health board as well as a week in hand! It came in very handy though when he left and got it all in the final wage.

falko89

Right it says.

You will accrue annual holidays on the basis of 1/12th of the annual entitlement for each month of service in the holiday year.

LittleVoice

falko89 wrote: »

Right it says.

You will accrue annual holidays on the basis of 1/12th of the annual entitlement for each month of service in the holiday year.

So you do "earn" the holiday during the course of the year. (One could argue that there could be an issue if you don't work a full month - eg start on the 4th or finish on 27th - but in general that's OK.)

Where, if anywhere, does it say that you can't take holiday or won't be paid for it when you take it?

falko89

LittleVoice wrote: »

So you do "earn" the holiday during the course of the year. (One could argue that there could be an issue if you don't work a full month - eg start on the 4th or finish on 27th - but in general that's OK.)

Where, if anywhere, does it say that you can't take holiday or won't be paid for it when you take it?

Ok, take July, I won't have been there long enough, we are closed 2 weeks, I will get 2-3 days pay. And as I say in previous employment it wasn't 12 months, it was 6 months, this 12 months means even at Xmas I won't have accrued enough to cover the entire 2 weeks, where as previously I would have.

mariefab

When does your current employer's holiday year run from/to?
i.e. Jan/Dec, Apr/Mar, etc.

As you've already been informed, because you work 5 days a week you are entitled to a statutory minimum of 28 days PAID holiday per year.

Your workplace appears to shut down for 2 weeks in July and for 2 weeks at Christmas.

This would account for 20 of your 28 days holiday entitlement only if it is PAID.

So, if your employer only pays you for 2-3 days during the 2 weeks shutdown (because of their accrual policy) and require that you take the other 7-8 days unpaid, they can only deduct those 2-3 PAID days from your overall 28 days per year holiday entitlement.

MissSarah1972

falko89 wrote: »

Right it says.

You will accrue annual holidays on the basis of 1/12th of the annual entitlement for each month of service in the holiday year.

Erm yes everyone accures holiday pay like this. You however have said you can't take holiday for 12 months.

Are you sure?

EVERYONE has to work a full holiday year to get a full years holiday so is anyone even sure what you are asking here?

getmore4less

What you need to ask your employer is

1, What is the holiday year and the full years entitlement
2. How many days holiday will I accrue from my start date this holiday year
3. How many of those days will be allocated to the fixed holidays and which days.
4. What is the process for taking holiday for any unallocated days.


Note : you also need to include how bank holidays work they can be included in a annual allowance ot treated seperately but still nee to be prorata as part of a total number of days.

repot back nd someone can check they have the number correct

JimmyTheWig

falko89 wrote: »

Ok, take July, I won't have been there long enough, we are closed 2 weeks, I will get 2-3 days pay. And as I say in previous employment it wasn't 12 months, it was 6 months, this 12 months means even at Xmas I won't have accrued enough to cover the entire 2 weeks, where as previously I would have.

(My bolding)
I think I know what you are saying.
In previous jobs (how many, out of interest?) you've qualified for full holiday pay after working there for 6 months. But here you'll qualify for some holiday pay but not full holiday pay until you've been there for 12 months. Sounds reasonable.

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Hold on, it all works out the same!
Lets say the year runs from January to December.
Lets say the company closes for 2 weeks in July and 2 weeks at Christmas.
Lets say you get bank holidays on top of this and you can't take any further days off. [So lets just ignore them.]

Lets say you start work in March.
By July you've accrued holiday for March, April, May and June. That's 4 months so you get 4/12 of your annual holiday entitlement. Annual holiday entitlement (for these purposes, though I might be wrong, but it doesn't really matter) is 20 days. So you'll get paid for 6 and a bit days and the rest of the 3 and a bit days of the July fortnight will be unpaid.
By Christmas you'll have accrued holiday for July, August, September, October, November and December. That's 6 months, so you get 6/12 of your annual holiday entitlement. That's 10 days. The whole two weeks.

You started in March, so you don't get the full year's holiday. You have to take 3 and a bit days unpaid in July (they may split these unpaid wages through the year). But as long as you've been there more than 6 months you'll have accrued enough holiday for the coming shutdown.

Evilm

Right, that is usual wording. That doesn't mean they won't pay you for the days you haven't yet accrued in the shut down. It just means that you only get paid for that number of days this year. Most companies still allow you to take the holiday even before you've 'accrued' it and take it from your final salary.

Go and ask HR what their rules are on it specifically if it doesn't say in the manual. (Tell them the wife is asking if you don't want to sound demanding).

out_of_cash

MissSarah1972 wrote: »

You start accruing holiday from the day you start but a company can say that no holiday can be taken say in the first 12 weeks of employment but they have to allow you to take the full entitlement you are allowed.

Are you saying your contact says you are not allowed to take holiday till you have been there 12 months?

That then means you have NO holiday for the holiday year we are in and corect me if I am wrong, is illegal.

Thats correct! a lot of people are getting the p takeng out of them, especially by agencys regarding holiday pay.:mad: