What a numpty! RANT

TrickyWicky

D70,

You've experienced badness from JC+ candidates thats true but please also remember that JC+ often refer people for jobs that they're not suitable for and hence they will be disinterested purely because they don't think they'll have a chance with you.

If they referred me to you for the position of a cook in your company I'd be the same. I couldn't cook if my life depended on it yet I would still come to an interview to keep the pen pushers happy. I WOULD however be interested in other jobs (PM sent) that might be available. Not all JC+ people are useless, they're just having to comply with a totally inefficient organisation that doesn't have a clue how to satisfy the job market or help its customers.

I'm not on anything, I'm unemployed and despite applying for many jobs that my limited experience etc will allow, I don't even get any interviews (I've had 3 in a whole 1.5 years).

dandelionclock30

It says a lot about an employer who thinks negatively about all the people sent by the jobcentre. It probably says more about them than the jobseeker and they wonder why the people appear like they dont want to work for them.

whitegoods_engineer

The 'job' the op posted about was not a job at all. How laughable is it that somebody expects people to come to work for £100 per week. Completely Dickensian!

If you want workers, pay a LIVING WAGE and you'll find no shortage of takers. Pay a pittance (ignoring the National Minimum wage) and don't be surprised when nobody turns up!

jc808

gibson123 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9229093/Seven-workshy-benefits-claimants-fail-to-turn-up-for-first-day-at-work.html

This man made me very angry, and the Telegraph reporter should be shot for his lack of research and giving this numpty this publicity. No wonder people think unemployed people don't want jobs.

Oh, saw this on Kent news, boiled my blood too...

As I understand the positions were 'market research' telephone jobs... so "non-jobs" basically... not surprised noone was interested... stupidly when I was c18 I took one of these types of job, and after an hour of shoddy training and a few minutes on the phone being told to f off by irate people who had been bothered by my employer day in, day out... I walked straight away.

Also the guy looks like a sex offender.

MrSnuggles

At first I thought it's a decent job but really, a sales job? It's commission based and you need to fork out money to travel. Not everyone is capable of selling and even if they are, most customers dislike sales people and won't listen no matter what.

Easier to stay on the dole than risk wasting travel money and getting sacked because you're not a great sales person.

Northerness

dseventy wrote: »

I own and run 8 companies across the UK and Europe. I employ 902 staff full-time and about half that PT. I gave up on getting candidates from JC+ about 4 years ago after exactly what the guy in question quotes.

I don't know the ins and outs of this as there seems to be some suggestion that the guy does even pay NMW. However I do, as well as private healthcare, Xmas bonus and a monthly employee lottery.

I told all candidates this, from JC+ applicants to those through recruitment agencies.

The JC+ candidates were genuine, in my experience in 10% of times. 9 out of 10 candidates from JC+ did not want the job, or made it easy not to offer them the job. Things like not researching my company (on the net), turning up in a tracksuit, telling me that "im only here as they will stop my benefit if I don't" etc, etc.

So I can see where he is coming from. I have closed the door to JC+ applicants in my company because of the very things the chap in the article says.

D70

As someone who has been to the Job Centre every fortnight for the past six months, I can assure you that not everyone who attends is as you describe. You are being narrow-minded. How about you do your own market research before coming to such conclusions? You could go down the Job Centre Plus and speak with people outside, maybe invite interested people (who happen to be unemployed) down to interview?

Or have you given up on all humanity?

MissSarah1972

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

It says a lot about an employer who thinks negatively about all the people sent by the jobcentre. It probably says more about them than the jobseeker and they wonder why the people appear like they dont want to work for them.

That why he probably has 7 positions available!! LOL

Elvisia

Read the mirror article that someone under the article has linked to, it explains exactly how dodgy it is!!!

dseventy

Hi all

Just to reply to a few comments here. I do accept applications from people claiming JSA, just not via the JC+. So people can apply (or use the recruitment company) with no issues. I don't trust the JC+ to vet people correctly, so I use someone else. Plus the associated paperwork the JC+ require for each candidate who applies (and never turns up) was a small industry in itself.

So I don't think all JC+ people are crap (I think I said earlier 10% were genuine IMO) its just I don't use them to advertise vacancies.

D70

KiKi

whitegoods_engineer wrote: »

The 'job' the op posted about was not a job at all. How laughable is it that somebody expects people to come to work for £100 per week. Completely Dickensian!

If you want workers, pay a LIVING WAGE and you'll find no shortage of takers. Pay a pittance (ignoring the National Minimum wage) and don't be surprised when nobody turns up!

You've ignored the posts that already explained this.

I agree it looks like a bad deal - but these were self-employed roles, so he was *not* ignoring the NMW, as it doesn't actually apply.

KiKi