potential parking ticket

give_them_FA

Not so easy with modern cars. Cost a fortune. Apparently they are not just simple keys but have electronics attached even if they're not used for remote access or alarm.

Kite2010

haras_nosirrah wrote: »

From the company handbook

20. PARKING FINES & CONGESTION CHARGES [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]When you incur a parking fine or an unpaid congestion charge, this should be paid immediately. Any fines that are paid by the Company will result in an additional handling charge (see attached scale of charges), which will be deducted from your salary. The resulting salary deduction will thus be in the region of three times the cost of the original fine. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure they are fully aware of all area’s and times that such offences may be incurred. Refunds will only be given when a full refund has been obtained by the Company from the issuing authority.
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But then the parking ticket you might receive isn't a fine, just an invoice so it doesn't come under that section.

But it's been said before.

patman99

The first mistake was to tell the store. The second was to omit from your email to your HR dept. 'as this is an unenforceable invoice rather than an enforceable PCN, any attempt to make an illegal deduction from my salary will be met with a Small Claims Court action against yourselves to recover the deducted amount with interest'.

On a side-note, it is about time the lease companies were educated about how to deal with PPC invoices. To get them onside would be a massive PR coupe.

societys_child

Just a thought,
what if the op got the name of the parking scammers (from the signs at Lidl) and phoned them directly to say she owns the car and explain the situation. (try avoid admitting who was driving)

I know this is not recommended but the PPC then has no need to contact DVLA and if they insist she still has to pay, can send the invoice to her without involving the lease co etc.

She is then free to ignore them (hate the thought of saving them £2.50 tho')

Does this make sense?

Coupon-mad

Yep it does make sense to try to deflect the letters to the driver directly.

Worth a try.

Ella247

Please help i am a student nurse and live in hospital accomodation, i have free parking in the visiting car park, this can be a nightmare at visiting times as the car park is rammed full, cars are parked on curbs and double yellows. When i arrived home from uni (hospital visiting hours) i couldnt for life of me find a space, i know i shouldnt of but i parked in a disabled bay. There was absolutely nowhere else to put my car. When i came back an hour later i had a ticket, this ticket was just stuck on my windscreen it was even packaged. It is from parking solutions24. Is this legit and do i need to pay it? I am a very poor student so any help and advice would be greatly appreciated!

Stephen_Leak

We do not condone inconsiderate parking, or not paying or overstaying in a pay & display car park. Meanwhile, back in the real world ...

Firstly, the legal stuff.

Any warning signs are usually so badly positioned and worded, that they won’t have created a fair and legally binding deemed contract between the car park owner and the driver in the first place. (The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997.)

Even if there is a contract, all the car park owner can claim from the driver in damages for any breach of contract is what they’ve lost as a result. If this is a free car park or they paid, this is £0.00. By asking you for more, which is unreasonable, it’s become an unfair contract penalty, which is legally unenforceable. (Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co. Ltd. vs. New Garage & Motor Co. Ltd., House of Lords, 1914.)

Only councils, the police and Transport for London can impose legally enforceable fines or penalties. Private companies can't.

Despite all of this, private parking companies consider that their signs create a fair and legally binding deemed contract between the car park owner and the driver, that their demands are their losses and not fines or penalties, that these are reasonable, and that they’re legally enforceable.

What do you do?

Don’t appeal. They always reject them. What’s in it for them to let anyone off?

What’s in it for them is information. With windscreen tickets, you’ll tell them your name and address, and maybe who was driving at the time. I you don’t, they have to buy the registered keeper details from the DVLA for £2.50.

If you’ve received a letter in the post, they’ve done this already. However, they still need to know the identity of the driver of the vehicle involved at the time, because that’s who the alleged contract was with. If they don’t know who the driver was, they have to make do with chasing the registered keeper. They sometimes say that they have the right to ask for this information. This doesn’t mean that you have to tell them.

However, even if you’ve appealed and confirmed who the driver was, it doesn’t make their actions any less unlawful. It just means that instead of unlawfully harassing the wrong person, they can now unlawfully harass the right person.

What will happen now?

You are going to receive a series of letters from the PPC, then a debt collector and then a solicitor. The debt collector and solicitor are usually also the PPC, but using different headed paper. These will threaten you with all sorts of financial and legal unpleasantness, to try and intimidate you into paying. But, they can't actually do anything, for the same reason that a blackmailer couldn't sue their victim if they didn’t pay.

What should you do?

Ignore their empty threats. Eventually, they will run out of things to intimidate you with, and stop throwing good money after bad.

give_them_FA

Like Stephen said...

bottom line, just ignore. They WILL go away. It may not seem like it when you are receiving letters threatening you with all sorts of unpleasantness; but, remember they only do the threats because they can't actually enforce their FAKE ticket legally.

So they hope you will crumble and pay.

Once you realise how they work, it is easy to defeat them.

Ignore them and when they have sent your quota of letters they will give up on you and go away.

esmerobbo

Interesting Parking solutions24 registered 14/11/11 director Mark Thorley!

Sharing the same address as our friends Parkforce/UK parking enforcement agency whose last director was Tracey Thorley!

http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/916532587

http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/910193406

Will be interesting to see if the keepers details are acquired seeing the latter's record with obtaining keepers details.

haras_nosirrah

Got this back from my employer
Sarah

For the avoidance of doubt the lease company reserve the right to pay any fine and recharge the company. Any fines that are paid by the Company will result in the fine and an additional handling charge being deducted from your salary.

This includes private parking tickets.

Regards