Companies registered to work with vulnerable groups?

24skins

Not sure where you're based but your mum may have a 'Care and repair' service locally - they provide handy services for elderly & disabled people. My local provides tradesmen that they've approved to work with vulnerable people, don't think they have any equivalent to a crb check though.

Home page for england here
http://www.careandrepair-england.org.uk/

Wales
http://www.careandrepair.org.uk/

Scotland
http://www.careandrepair.org.uk/

Or try Googling 'Care and Repair [Your Town]' for your local service.

Brassedoff

Although there is no register by a quirk of regulation my company is. All my staff have 10 year checks, enhanced CRB, even credit checks. We work in a variety of places from schools to care homes, even banks(but the worse criminals are those bankers). Companies that are NSI gold, Chas or Constructionline registered are all heavily checked and the majority of site staff are Enhanced CRB by virtue of the work the company's do.

Hope that helps

Savvy_Sue

to answer one of your original questions, if a company or organisation is working extensively with vulnerable adults, then their staff (or those coming into contact with such adults) should be CRB checked. So while there isn't a register of those who are cleared to do so, there is a mechanism for checking.

However, employers can't just check all their employees because they might be in contact with a vulnerable adult in the course of their work, any more than they can just check all their employees because they might be in contact with children in the course of their work.

If an employer is only or mainly working in settings where children or vulnerable adults are present, then they could do CRB checks on all their staff. But that's quite unusual.

woodbine wrote: »

i doubt wether any self employed plumbers gardeners etc would go to the hassle/expense of being CRB checked

It's not even as simple as that: you can't get a CRB check carried out on yourself, so very difficult for self employed people to get one done.

As well as the Care and Repair suggestion, does the local police force run a 'bobby van' service? And would that help with some things?

Brassedoff

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

to answer one of your original questions, if a company or organisation is working extensively with vulnerable adults, then their staff (or those coming into contact with such adults) should be CRB checked. So while there isn't a register of those who are cleared to do so, there is a mechanism for checking.

However, employers can't just check all their employees because they might be in contact with a vulnerable adult in the course of their work, any more than they can just check all their employees because they might be in contact with children in the course of their work.

If an employer is only or mainly working in settings where children or vulnerable adults are present, then they could do CRB checks on all their staff. But that's quite unusual.

It's not even as simple as that: you can't get a CRB check carried out on yourself, so very difficult for self employed people to get one done.

As well as the Care and Repair suggestion, does the local police force run a 'bobby van' service? And would that help with some things?

Sorry Sue, but you are wrong. Anyone who will work with children or vulerenbule adults should all be checked as a matter of course. As I said above all ours are Enhanced CRB. There is also a register and they will have a certificate with their CRB number on it.

As for self employed, you just send Your application form with the ID and fee to the Criminal Records Bureau, they will supply you with you document too.

Savvy_Sue

Brassedoff wrote: »

Sorry Sue, but you are wrong. Anyone who will work with children or vulerenbule adults should all be checked as a matter of course. As I said above all ours are Enhanced CRB. There is also a register and they will have a certificate with their CRB number on it.

According to the CRB:

When you apply for certain types of job you may be asked to apply for a criminal record check. These are generally jobs that mean you:

• will be working regularly with children or vulnerable people
• will be working in an establishment that is wholly or mainly for children
• will be working in healthcare
• have applied to be a foster carer, adoptive parent or childminder
• will be working in certain other professions (details of all these professions are provided on the link below)

(my emphasis)

There is a difference between 'working regularly with' and 'sometimes having to be in the same location as'. For example, all our staff and volunteers are checked, but I do not expect the photocopier engineer or our visiting IT geeks to have a CRB check - apart from anything else, since they're not portable we'd have to pay to check them ourselves if we wanted to rely on them.

The difference for us is that we can 'chaperone' such visitors, and ensure that they're not left alone with clients. That's not so easy in a domestic setting.

Brassedoff wrote: »

As for self employed, you just send Your application form with the ID and fee to the Criminal Records Bureau, they will supply you with you document too.

Really? Not what it says here, about half way down the page.

Can you apply for your own criminal record check?

The self-employed or individuals can’t legally apply for a criminal record check on themselves.

Brassedoff

Sue, at our kids football club we are told anyone who comes in to contact. That could be a parent putting up a net must get one. I suppose it's where and when or the policy of the company/organisation then.

Savvy_Sue

Brassedoff wrote: »

Sue, at our kids football club we are told anyone who comes in to contact. That could be a parent putting up a net must get one. I suppose it's where and when or the policy of the company/organisation then.

I'd say that there's a limit to how far the policy can go, BUT many organisations working with children push it as far as they can, 'just to be on the safe side'. And some time ago I even heard (on here, probably) of a Cub group where all parents were expected to help out once a term, and were therefore given a CRB form to complete.

Personally I'd have been furious if our Cub group leaders had asked me to complete a CRB check in order to help out at jumble sales (which was all I ever did), not because I have anything to hide, but because in that context I think it would have been against the CRB's regulations.

And I wouldn't have trusted them to keep confidential if there was anything on anyone's disclosure - and there could easily be things there which don't make people unsafe around children, and are none of anyone's else's business!

Savvy_Sue

Brassedoff wrote: »

Sue, at our kids football club we are told anyone who comes in to contact.

And thinking about it, that's just ludicrous. I spent a short period standing beside football pitches wondering what the heck was going on, and a slightly longer period lazing around watching cricket (far more civilised, IMO). I took my sons, I hung around, I took them home, and sometimes, oh horror, I SPOKE TO THEIR TEAM MATES!

You either re-define 'contact' to be meaningful, or you have to CRB check all parents / droppers-off / hangers on. I think I know what the CRB would recommend.

kingfisherblue

Sue, I am Guider and we don't ask occasional helpers to have a CRB disclosure, only regular or overnight helpers. I would be concerned, though, if the details of anyone's CRB wasn't kept confidential. I'm the unit guider for two units and my daughter is assistnat guider at both. I know here CRB is completely clear. However, I have two other assistants - one in each unit - and I am not aware of whether there is anything on their CRBs. The district commissioner and the division commissioner will know, but not the unit guiders.

Savvy_Sue

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Sue, I am Guider and we don't ask occasional helpers to have a CRB disclosure, only regular or overnight helpers. I would be concerned, though, if the details of anyone's CRB wasn't kept confidential. I'm the unit guider for two units and my daughter is assistnat guider at both. I know here CRB is completely clear. However, I have two other assistants - one in each unit - and I am not aware of whether there is anything on their CRBs. The district commissioner and the division commissioner will know, but not the unit guiders.

I think you have it right on both points! Now it's possible that the Scout group wouldn't have the details of what's on disclosures, but that's the only way that they WOULD be kept confidential - I was annoyed on one occasion to be told something about someone else's child that I did not NEED to know and had no RIGHT to know! Mind you that happened at school too, so maybe I attract the wrong kind of confidence ...