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UKCPS Hammered in Court Again

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=58542&view=findpost&p=687705

Apparently this was the second time Hasbeen was beaten, having originally failed against the Defendant's husband. As the Defendant admitted being the driver, it also shows that the PPCs who believe keeper liability will solve all their problems are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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  • Trebor16
    Trebor16 Posts: 3,061 Forumite
    What a great result! I remember reading about that case and seeing Hasbeen issue proceedings against the wife when it was revealed the RK was not the driver. I am so pleased to see that he has lost twice on the same "fine".
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  • bargepole
    bargepole Posts: 3,238 Forumite
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    Trebor16 wrote: »
    What a great result! I remember reading about that case and seeing Hasbeen issue proceedings against the wife when it was revealed the RK was not the driver. I am so pleased to see that he has lost twice on the same "fine".
    There are two key points to take out of this:

    1) Signage - the defendant's initial argument was that the signs weren't clear or easily visible. This cut no ice with the Judge, and previous cases show that you're unlikely to win with the "we didn't see the signs" argument.

    2) The "parking charge" of £100 - UKCPS failed to provide any evidence as to how this was calculated, and it was ruled that it was an unlawful penalty, not a genuine pre-estimate of losses. This is why they lost the claim.

    So Mr Hasbeen has now had to take two separate days out of the office, to attend court hearings, and on both occasions has been sent home with his tail between his legs and diddly-squat £s to show for it.

    His employers must love him.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • robredz
    robredz Posts: 1,602 Forumite
    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=58542&view=findpost&p=687705

    Apparently this was the second time Hasbeen was beaten, having originally failed against the Defendant's husband. As the Defendant admitted being the driver, it also shows that the PPCs who believe keeper liability will solve all their problems are living in cloud cuckoo land.
    Superb, keeper liability is a fatally flawed concept, especially for vehicles with more than one possible driver.
  • AltheHibby
    AltheHibby Posts: 733 Forumite
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    Well done. You've made my day.
  • Any comments Perky?
  • treeboa
    treeboa Posts: 84 Forumite
    hopefully its left a real big rip in the company accounts paying for this one, needs to be posted all over the place as another home goal for conning scam merchants
  • vax2002
    vax2002 Posts: 7,187 Forumite
    It will not make much difference, these idiots know they can not collect an illegal penalty, they just hope that they get a stupid judge.
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  • give_them_FA
    give_them_FA Posts: 2,998 Forumite
    Never mind signage or any other issue.

    The fact is this is the worst possible result for PPCs. The judge has said that what they try to charge is in itself unlawful, never mind the circumstances under which the ticket was issued. If that becomes a consistent finding there is no way back for PPCs. Hasbeen has other cases in the pipeline and we are now clear on what to press hardest in defence.

    Consistent with the Parking Eye case last year, certainly.
  • vax2002
    vax2002 Posts: 7,187 Forumite
    Someone needs to start a list of losses by PPC and put it on a stickey
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  • notts_phil
    notts_phil Posts: 1,087 Forumite
    I wonder if Hasbeen will grace us with his presence?

    No doubt he stormed out of court with his tail between his legs.....
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