UK speed limits?

Rover_Driver

Wig wrote: »

Rover Driver, take a look at this....I think they have made a mistake
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/schedule/6
For normal cars not towing a trailer it should read 70, 70, 60
They also missed out the word "not" in "not exceeding 3.05 Tonnes"

The way I read schedule 6,
A passenger vehicle, motor caravan or dual-purpose vehicle not drawing a trailer being a vehicle that exceeds 3·05 tonnes unladen weight or is adapted to carry more than 8 passengers is restricted to 70/60/50

And as Schedule 6 does not mention vehicles that are a passenger vehicle, motor caravan or dual-purpose vehicle that don't exceed 3·05 tonnes unladen weight or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers, their speed limit is the normal NSL - 70/70/60.

Rover_Driver

alastairq wrote: »

A point to note with the above...I believe a D1 licence category is needed to drive this.

With regards to D1 licence categories, there is currently in place , [off top of head, cannot find link].....there is a requirement now to have passed a PCV test in this category....[rather than an entitlement through holding a Cat B prior to Jan 1997]

D, For a passenger vehicle over 8 seats in addition to the driver.

D1, (minibus) is a sub category for over 8 but no more than 16 seats in addition to the driver, but there are some circumstances where a minibus can be driven by a category B licence holder.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/2/made


Pre 1997 car licence holders should have D1 & C1 on their licence.

gilbert_and_sullivan

Rover Driver has it right, there is some waffle about dimensions in the legislation too.

My Hilux was a twin cab, therefore classed as Dual Purpose Vehicle, if it had been the same vehicle but single cabbed (or twin cab without 4WD) then it would have been a standard commercial vehicle.

Dual Purpose share the same speed limits as cars, but commercials have to stick to van limits.

Wig

Rover_Driver wrote: »

The way I read schedule 6,
A passenger vehicle, motor caravan or dual-purpose vehicle not drawing a trailer being a vehicle that exceeds 3·05 tonnes unladen weight or is adapted to carry more than 8 passengers is restricted to 70/60/50

And as Schedule 6 does not mention vehicles that are a passenger vehicle, motor caravan or dual-purpose vehicle that don't exceed 3·05 tonnes unladen weight or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers, their speed limit is the normal NSL - 70/70/60.

I absolutely agree with you, :doh:

I was just expecting to see a class of vehicle that conformed to 70 70 60 in schedule 6 because of the 2nd link Gloomendoom gave which was from Devon & Cornwall and showed a detailed table including such.

But as you say, the speed limits are for all road going vehicles unless they fall into a class as specified in schedule 6

alastairq

D, For a passenger vehicle over 8 seats in addition to the driver.

D1, (minibus) is a sub category for over 8 but no more than 16 seats in addition to the driver, but there are some circumstances where a minibus can be driven by a category B licence holder.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...chedule/2/made


Pre 1997 car licence holders should have D1 & C1 on their licence.
Las

Whether a test candidate is issued [on passing] with a D or a D1 licence category, does depend on the vehicle in which the test was conducted.


A D1 category can be acquired by taking a PCV test in a D1 [ie minibus] vehicle.


The point I was trying to hilite concerns

[a] the minimum category of licence needed to be held to drive a 9 seat Land-rover[ excluding driver]......is a D1....and

[an issue which has hit my place of work]...the D1 on it's own, acquired as I said pre-Jan 1997 with a cat B....wont stand...the Government are now insisting a proper PCV test is conducted....

This has affected primarily those who volunteer their services driving...for example, team or school minibuses, etc.....Scouts and the like....proof that a D1 [minimum] conducted as a PCV test is being required.

In other words, they are trying to eliminate all those who drive minibuses....regardless of the status of the vehicle [private of hire& reward].....without having passed a PCV.

And, as I said, this is also impacting the military with regards to the category of licence needed to drive a TUM L/Rover.....and not just by civilian personnel.

The main reason for the MoD keeping a low profile on this matter is the sheer cost of the exercise.

training most of the Infantry, for example....to pass an LGV cat C was expensive and difficult enough.....now this?

Rover_Driver

alastairq wrote: »

Whether a test candidate is issued [on passing] with a D or a D1 licence category, does depend on the vehicle in which the test was conducted.


A D1 category can be acquired by taking a PCV test in a D1 [ie minibus] vehicle.


The point I was trying to hilite concerns

[a] the minimum category of licence needed to be held to drive a 9 seat Land-rover[ excluding driver]......is a D1....and

[an issue which has hit my place of work]...the D1 on it's own, acquired as I said pre-Jan 1997 with a cat B....wont stand...the Government are now insisting a proper PCV test is conducted....

This has affected primarily those who volunteer their services driving...for example, team or school minibuses, etc.....Scouts and the like....proof that a D1 [minimum] conducted as a PCV test is being required.

In other words, they are trying to eliminate all those who drive minibuses....regardless of the status of the vehicle [private of hire& reward].....without having passed a PCV.

According to DVLA's leaflet 'INF28' - Driving a Minibus - a PCV test is only required for Hire or Reward if you have a pre 1997 D1 entitlement:

If you had full entitlement to drive cars before 1 January 1997 – shown as group A (B for automatics) or have categories B and D1 [FONT=Helvetica 55 Roman,Helvetica 55 Roman][FONT=Helvetica 55 Roman,Helvetica 55 Roman]not for hire or reward [/FONT][/FONT]– you can drive a minibus provided:
n The minibus has a maximum of 16 seats and is not being used for hire or reward.
To drive a minibus which has 9 or more passenger seats for [FONT=Helvetica 55 Roman,Helvetica 55 Roman][FONT=Helvetica 55 Roman,Helvetica 55 Roman]hire or reward [/FONT][/FONT]you will normally need Passenger Carrying Vehicle (PCV) entitlement (category D1 or D). To get this you must meet higher medical standards and take a further driving test.
[FONT=Helvetica 55 Roman,Helvetica 55 Roman][FONT=Helvetica 55 Roman,Helvetica 55 Roman]Hire or reward includes any payment in cash or kind by (or on behalf of) passengers which gives them a right to be carried. [/FONT][/FONT]

alastairq

The minibus has a maximum of 16 seats and is not being used for hire or reward.

This is the bit under revue! A vehicle which is owned by a company or organisation may well in the future come under the same banner

Of course, for newer drivers, driving the LandRover concerned will mean taking a D1 PCV test.

This means, folk who have had their licences for 14 or 15 years now....

I'm only passing on info...which may prove to be a fly in the ointment, for those who may drive such a Land-Rover...and which directly affects myself and colleagues at work...and the employer as a whole.

Things are changing....

But then, I've had a PSV/PCV for...ooooo....40 years now?

So it wont affect me......

Rover_Driver

I know there are changes for people who pass their test after 19th January, but they are not retrospective.

Gloomendoom

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

My Hilux was a twin cab, therefore classed as Dual Purpose Vehicle, if it had been the same vehicle but single cabbed (or twin cab without 4WD) then it would have been a standard commercial vehicle

If had 4x4 it would be a dual purpose vehicle regardless.

Slightly out of context quote from VOSA...

Land Rovers (and any vehicles with four wheel drive) are classed as dual purpose vehicles and - under current legislation - are exempt from operator licensing

Source

alastairq

Rover_Driver wrote: »

I know there are changes for people who pass their test after 19th January, but they are not retrospective.

It is the 'retrospective' part which is under review.....as it doesn't affect me personally, I haven't paid too much attention to it.....

The issue seems to have arisen regarding older drivers driving minibuses under a voluntary basis as I mentioned before..[Scouts, football teams, etc] whilst not strictly 'hire & reward'...compelling them to undergo a proper PCV test.

Issues may arise if a driving licence is renewed or altered by DVLA in any way.....D1 may be removed if not accompanied by a Vocational PCV/PSV [D]...

This has occurred where I work.......although the issue of taking a [free for us] PCV isn't a problem.

The Government sites need watching in this respect...as updates of this nature are not widely publicised.