Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Plushchris

1carminestocky wrote: »

And if I was to be paying your tariff, BG Price Protection April 2010, I would be paying well over £100 per year more than I do with UW. Plus I would have been paying this rate (fixed) for over 4 years. I have been paying UW just 2 months. Remind me again, by what %tage have gas and electric prices risen since you signed up to that Fixed deal in 2005? If I had joined UW today, I would have been paying well over £200 more on your tariff than I would with UW. How can this be so? We all know why, I hope....:p

Which does beg the question, why dont you switch away from UW, "Trouser" some cashback then switch back to UW to save that extra £100?

Cardew

Plushchris wrote: »

Which does beg the question, why dont you switch away from UW, "Trouser" some cashback then switch back to UW to save that extra £100?

Carmine is as usual just posting diversionary tactics in the hope that any newcomers will not appreciate that UW have just about the highest gas and electricity prices in UK.

He knows it, I know it, anyone who understands gas and electricity tariffs knows it. Above all it can be proven by going to any independant source.

UW prices are in red for the Midlands.

UW -Electricity 11.157p/kWh - (+ 17.26p per day = £63 per year.)

UW -Gas 3.427p/kWH (+ 12.08p per day = £44.10 per year)

No discounts with UW and you pay £21.12 UW club membership.


It really is worth pointing this out as it proves just how expensive UW gas and electricity prices are in UK - yet people actually pay them!!!

SwanJon

Carmine's Diversionary Tactics 101 - the Bait & Switch
Part a) Bait
Make an unfounded statement that sounds good and backs up your argument

1carminestocky wrote: »

I actually pay the same tariff rate now (i.e. 2009) that Cardew has been paying since 2005.

Part b) Switch
Reply to any challenge with an unrelated statement and claim that this is what you meant all along.

1carminestocky wrote: »

And if I was to be paying your tariff, BG Price Protection April 2010, I would be paying well over £100 per year more than I do with UW. Plus I would have been paying this rate (fixed) for over 4 years. I have been paying UW just 2 months. Remind me again, by what %tage have gas and electric prices risen since you signed up to that Fixed deal in 2005? If I had joined UW today, I would have been paying well over £200 more on your tariff than I would with UW. How can this be so? We all know why, I hope....:p

In this example Carmine initially refers specifically to the tariff rate - industry wide this is seen as the 'bare' p/kWh charge.
When challenged with facts he answers with a statement that his bottom line bill is less (when all applicable discounts & 'cash'back is applied only to 2 of his 4 services). While his second statement may be correct, the careful viewer will see that it does not actually back up his statements, but doesn't it sound good?.
For all you wannabe Carmine's out there you could use this as a project in your 'Post Dredging 101' class - how many times has he used this tactic, and when did UW IDs start using it?

jimexbox

Here are some clickable screenshots from energyhelpline for new readers and various reps who still don't believe UW are expensive. All these are facts are repeatable and verifiable by anyone who doesn't believe the results.

I've used Bucks County Council postcode : HP20 1UA

I've used my own Eon online tariff 'save online' as the initial comparison, using Ofgems official standard user definition 20500 kWh gas and 3300 kWh electricity, paying monthly direct debit.





So we can see that UW are 18% more expensive than my current tariff, and a massive 23% more expensive than the cheapest available tariff using Ofgems own standard user definition. UW cheapest tariff was placed 64th.

NigeWick

Cardew wrote: »

It really is worth pointing this out as it proves just how expensive UW gas and electricity prices are in UK - yet people actually pay them!!!

It is a fact that I pay Utility Warehouse less for my gas and electricity than with any other supplier. How do you explain that?

I am an Independent Distributor with Utility Warehouse and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

NigeWick

SwanJon wrote: »

In this example Carmine initially refers specifically to the tariff rate - industry wide this is seen as the 'bare' p/kWh charge.

It is a fact that I pay Utility Warehouse less for my gas and electricity than with any other supplier. How do you explain that?

NigeWick

jimexbox wrote: »

Here are some clickable screenshots from energyhelpline for new readers and various reps who still don't believe UW are expensive. All these are facts are repeatable and verifiable by anyone who doesn't believe the results.

Any screen shot is for just one scenario. As I keep trying to tell you, we are all different and what suits one may not suit another person. You still have not shown us your actual usage, current supplier and tariff so that we can see that you personally are saving money. I do not have a trust issue with you, I have an accuracy issue. It is a fact that I pay less to Utility Warehouse for my gas and electricity than I would to any other company. How do you explain that?

NigeWick

jimexbox wrote: »

Let me know what you want me to do.

Post your actual gas and electricity usage, current supplier and tariff. Remember?

SwanJon

NigeWick wrote: »

SwanJon wrote: »

In this example Carmine initially refers specifically to the tariff rate - industry wide this is seen as the 'bare' p/kWh charge.

It is a fact that I pay Utility Warehouse less for my gas and electricity than with any other supplier. How do you explain that?

Sorry Nige - I don't see how your comment follows on form the quote.
Or are you just demonstrating a variation on the bait and switch (Just a switch)?

I can't remember your energy details. Are you including the 'cash'back you receive and counting it all against 2 of your 4 services?
I'm not disputing that if you do this you can make it that you pay less for energy.

Perelandra

Hi Carmine,

I think the only way we'd be able to tell if you could get a better deal elsewhere than you've posted would be to also understand how much your telephone useage is:

As I posted in an earlier thread-

Taking phone and broadband from UW is a good MS idea, since these are sufficient to qualify for the big savings on the cashback card, and these services are priced competitively versus other suppliers.

Adding gas and electric to your services list has a downside in that these services on their own are more expensive than from other suppliers. However, there is a clear (financial) benefit, in that taking these in addition to the telephone and broadband qualifies you for free telephone calls.

If the telephone call saving is greater than the utilities tariff differential, then UW is the cheapest option for you- if the saving is less than the differential, then even with free calls it's better to take telephone and BB from UW, btu gas and electric from a different supplier.

So it all comes down to how much of a telephone saving you'll make- but you need to know that, in order to judge whether you have the best deal or not. From what you've said, I suspect that your telephone useage is very high in which case I'd be surprised if anyone could find you a better deal. For the average user (apparently) the saving is £120 p.a. (which for some is less than the saving they'd make if they switched to a different gas/elec provider. £220 for a new customer due to the £100 discount after the first 12 months).

Have you calculated how much you'd have to pay/the number of calls made if you weren't getting the calls free? (EDIT: Based on the UW price for those calls if you didn't get them for free, since the assumption is you'd have your phone/BB from UW anyway) /EDIT. If so, we can then take a stab at finding a better deal as we'd have all the info we needed then (although I suspect there won't be a better deal for you).

Pere