Is a bad job better than no job at all?

morganedge

Amanita wrote: »

I would far prefer to have the luxury of not working and just live off the state ( other tax payers )

you DO have that option.

Amanita wrote: »

I have too much pride and self respect. I've worked in some pretty awful jobs in the past but stuck with them until I could find a better one.

So your pride and self respect are stopping you from doing what you admittedly want to do.
I see lots of posts like this; People would like to live off the state and have their rent paid for them and receive free money, but their own pride stops them. That's fine, but You can't then complain that other people don't share the same value system as you.

thorsoak wrote: »

I've had jobs I've hated, have come home and cried. But I've put up with them until I've found something better - in order that we could live. As did my OH. As have my children.

Any job is better than no job.

I've worked lots of jobs that I don't like for fairly long periods. In fact, im in a job now that I don't like at all and have been here for 7 months. However, if a job made me come home and cry, personally, I'd quit in a heartbeat and sign on JSA and housing benefits. It would be complete madness not too in my eyes.

mildred1978 wrote: »

So whatif the welfare state disappeared overnight? What then?

That AIN'T gonna happen! certainly not in any of our lifetimes, and almost certainly not in our childrens lifetimes, either. And quite likely, never.

TrickyWicky

morganedge wrote: »

I've worked lots of jobs that I don't like for fairly long periods. In fact, im in a job now that I don't like at all and have been here for 7 months. However, if a job made me come home and cry, personally, I'd quit in a heartbeat and sign on JSA and housing benefits. It would be complete madness not too in my eyes.

You're mad then. I've been there, I've broken down in front of numerous ***hole boses, I've had the most collosal b*ll*ck*ngs you could ever get (for nothing I might add), been signed off, had real proper breakdowns to the point where I've wanted to jump from a bridge etc. I've still gone back time and time again. Until I'm almost dead inside. I keep fighting, I keep trying I don't just give up because someone made me cry. I walk out when it gets to the point where I've had so much I will completely break down if I continue and that is completely different to having a cry.

If you walk just because someone made you cry then you've got a problem. When it's repeated victimisation, mind games and other horrible **** over a period of months or years non-stop and you're having nightmares then you know its time to go. Big difference.

Amanita_2

morganedge wrote: »

you DO have that option.
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and if I ( and others like me) did exactly that who is going to fund the benefits for those who are REALLY need the support of the welfare state?

ska_lover

fourthlinewing wrote: »

I do find it mildly amusing that all the "unemployed are lazy scroungers" brigade are saying this from the comfort of a job, though.

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Can I just remind you, that we are not discussing the unemployed as an entirety - just the ones who believe that certain jobs are beneath them, and would turn them down to claim benefits instead - thats a life style choice

ska_lover

TrickyWicky wrote: »

You're mad then. I've been there, I've broken down in front of numerous ***hole boses, I've had the most collosal b*ll*ck*ngs you could ever get (for nothing I might add), been signed off, had real proper breakdowns to the point where I've wanted to jump from a bridge etc. I've still gone back time and time again. Until I'm almost dead inside. I keep fighting, I keep trying I don't just give up because someone made me cry. I walk out when it gets to the point where I've had so much I will completely break down if I continue and that is completely different to having a cry.

If you walk just because someone made you cry then you've got a problem. When it's repeated victimisation, mind games and other horrible **** over a period of months or years non-stop and you're having nightmares then you know its time to go. Big difference.

I agree. I have cried after work because I have had a bad day - but realise it as such, dust myself down and carry on. Not just jack it in. Im still at the same job now. Havent cried in ages though!!

morganedge

Amanita wrote: »

and if I ( and others like me) did exactly that who is going to fund the benefits for those who are REALLY need the support of the welfare state?

That ain't your problem!

TrickyWicky

morganedge wrote: »

That ain't your problem!

It is actually.. you see

David_Cameron,_Prime_Minister wrote:

We're all in this together.

:rotfl:

Amanita_2

morganedge wrote: »

That ain't your problem!

Probably not fortunately but it might be yours........

Derivative

Depends what is meant by 'bad' really.

Bad in the sense of low pay and low hours, perhaps - if you're better off on benefits I'd say that going to work is nonsensical.

But if we're talking cleaning, manual labour, etc, then I would say no. The entire essence of a job is that you're doing something that someone else doesn't want to / doesn't have the time to do.

If it were a cake walk you wouldn't be paid for it.

Hiccups_2

ILW wrote: »

I believe that it is a relatively recent thing, being able to choose not to work if you do not like what is on offer.

Maybe it's because we have fewer different types of job available? Especially in low skilled areas of work that would require little re-training. In the past, I imagine that if a person didn't suit one type of work, then he/she would be able to take on a different vocation relatively quickly. Crucially, those vacancies would be available to fill.

People wax lyrical about apprenticeships for those who are not academically minded, but seriously what does the UK produce these days that doesn't require some academic skill? We are no longer a nation of skilled crafts or tradesmen / women, we are now the scientists and engineers who are designing products to be made elsewhere. Manufacturing has suffered a huge decline in this country. Those jobs simply don't exist in the numbers that they used to.

On another note, my role models were famous scientists, explorers and people who'd changed the world in some way, whereas today's kids see the media filled with reality TV stars getting rich and famous very quickly, with very little talent - so it's no surprise that we have lots of children aiming for the wrong goals and throwing their lives away before they've even lived them.

I think the materialistic values in our society also makes us more unhappy as a nation. People want to have the status symbols, such as the flash car or large house, but may have to work in the job they don't enjoy in order to have those things. They think about giving up those things to fulfil their own dreams but then worry about letting their families down, or having "society" look down on them for doing a job that's perceived to be of a lower status.

Quite simply, we are living under more pressure, facing greater insecurity about our role and position in society, and to top it off, we are also increasingly more judgemental about other people's circumstances (as some of the comments on this thread seem to show).

There used to be a time when everyone had their place in society and were valued for it. It made the person feel good and positive about their own life.

Sadly, today most people have become disposable cogs in a giant profit making machine. Is it any wonder that people get depressed?