Rift grows between young and old

suburbanwifey

abaxas wrote: »

From the old.

'I've paid into the system, now pay me back'

Damn right! I'm in my mid-forties and me and my OH have spent a life so far paying out for everyone else .. we don't get tax credit, child benefit, use schools, yet we have been paying for all that and everyone else since we both left school .. damn right we expect something back one day for all the money the Govt. has taken off as we aren't benefit claimants! We've supported them all long enough, not through choice. Good Luck to the elders of this country if they are FINALLY getting something back. At least most of them earnt the right of entitlement, unlike the young of today who are not of the same caliber when it comes to achieving in life, a large majority are lazy and work-shy. They get hundreds per week given to them for doing nothing but pump out babies this country doesn't want or need, just a drain on society.

If anyone is entitled, its the elderly. The boomers have paid in all their lives! A large percentage of the age bracket who do all the whinging, do nothing but take (tax credits, nursery credits, benefits, working tax credit) which WE all pay for! :eek:

olly300

suburbanwifey wrote: »

Damn right! I'm in my mid-forties and me and my OH have spent a life so far paying out for everyone else .. we don't get tax credit, child benefit, use schools, yet we have been paying for all that and everyone else since we both left school ..

So you never went to school?

So you weren't born under the NHS?

So your mother never received child benefit for at least one of her children?

In your case (and in my case) we are paying back some of what was spent on us as children by paying for people in society who can't pay for themselves now.

Remember this country you are paying towards people's current needs not your future needs. However in turn you need to hope there are enough tax payers to pay for your future needs if you so need it.

suburbanwifey

olly300 wrote: »

So you never went to school?

So you weren't born under the NHS?

So your mother never received child benefit for at least one of her children?

In your case (and in my case) we are paying back some of what was spent on us as children by paying for people in society who can't pay for themselves now.

Remember this country you are paying towards people's current needs not your future needs. However in turn you need to hope there are enough tax payers to pay for your future needs if you so need it.

I appreciate your point, but in my opinion and my husbands we are paying for our future needs, not anyone else's. They need to work hard, pay into the sytem for their needs to be taken care of.

Yes, my mother claimed child benefit for me and my father worked hard all his life paying into the system, never had a day not working his whole life and he is still working. They are entitled to what they get in old age too.

toby3000

I caught the end of an piece on Radio 4 the other day (sorry, I can't supply any more information than this due to my terrible memory), and there was a university lecturer saying that she'd noticed that there was big chunk of her middle class students doing Masters and PhDs that probablt won't lead anywhere. When she asks them about this, they just say that they know they'll inherit lots of money off their parents, so it doesn't really matter.

I must admit I sometimes think exactly the same. If I keep doing the job I want to do I'll probably never be able to buy a house, but on the other hand I'll probably inherit enough to buy a house eventually.

It does mean that some jobs will become ever more middle class.

olly300

suburbanwifey wrote: »

I appreciate your point, but in my opinion and my husbands we are paying for our future needs, not anyone else's.

It may be your opinion but unfortunately the system doesn't work like that.

The first people who received benefits from the state in terms of universal healthcare, child benefit, education and pensions didn't pay in for their future needs but were paying for the present as they simply no way they could.

Hence you and I pay (mostly) for everyone else now but we have to hope that they honour the social contract and pay for us when we cannot work for whatever reason.

suburbanwifey

olly300 wrote: »

It may be your opinion but unfortunately the system doesn't work like that.

The first people who received benefits from the state in terms of universal healthcare, child benefit, education and pensions didn't pay in for their future needs but were paying for the present as they simply no way they could.

Hence you and I pay (mostly) for everyone else now but we have to hope that they honour the social contract and pay for us when we cannot work for whatever reason.

Maybe they shouldn't call it National Insurance then and make it compulsory, as that term implies you are insuring for YOUR future health and needs etc. The whole system is wrong, open to abuse and misuse by the masses, as we are seeing of late. Contributions should go into a fund for yourselves, that way those that don't pay would have to do without, rather than being funded by all those boomers out there that they moan about, who paid in their whole lives so they could sit back and reap the rewards they do nowadays. It just galls me when the younger generation resent a generation that paid in their whole lives and then get moaned about as they have a sense of entitlement in the youths opinion. They have earned that entitlement in my opinion and that's the way I feel. Sorry.

toby3000

Surly if the system was that you were paying for your own future needs the Baby Boomer generation would be completly screwed due to rampant inflation?

I don't think most people begrudge older people some benefits, but then they're non means-tested (winter fuel allowance/bus passes/free tv licence) then it is annoying for the rest of us.

olly300

suburbanwifey wrote: »

Maybe they shouldn't call it National Insurance then and make it compulsory, as that term implies you are insuring for YOUR future health and needs etc. The whole system is wrong, open to abuse and misuse by the masses, as we are seeing of late. Contributions should go into a fund for yourselves, that way those that don't pay would have to do without, rather than being funded by all those boomers out there that they moan about, who paid in their whole lives so they could sit back and reap the rewards they do nowadays.

Unfortunately it wouldn't work as some people are claim more due to no fault of their own then they would ever be able to pay in National Insurance. (I know more than one person who works but has a disability that requires medical treatment and help with education.)

Also at least one politician at the time of the conception of the welfare stated as a risk what has actually happened.

suburbanwifey wrote: »

It just galls me when the younger generation resent a generation that paid in their whole lives and then get moaned about as they have a sense of entitlement in the youths opinion. They have earned that entitlement in my opinion and that's the way I feel. Sorry.

I get annoyed by it as well. Unfortunately if you segregate the young from old in society then you get these attitudes. One of the issues with nuclear families.

toby3000

suburbanwifey wrote: »

It just galls me when the younger generation resent a generation that paid in their whole lives and then get moaned about as they have a sense of entitlement in the youths opinion. They have earned that entitlement in my opinion and that's the way I feel. Sorry.

I think the feeling is that the younger generation are going to pay taxes for the whole of their lives but aren't going to get the benefits of the welfare state that the previous generation did.

thorsoak

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

Not all the young expect everything handed to them on a plate.

When things come to a point where somebody has to dedicate their whole life to paying a massive mortgage out of a 5hit wage packet, thats when people start to say fcuk it, whats the point.

We are not in your day anymore.

But one day, you will be!