Rift grows between young and old

Jimmy_31

RenovationMan wrote: »

I don't understand your logic. If there isn't money to be made in the construction industry and there aren't sufficient jobs then why can't they should look into alternative careers outside construction? As I said, it's not rocket science.

I dare say when the ship building and coal mining industries went into decline in this country that a load of people were moaning about the lack of opportunities available. What's the solution? Either accept the situation and make the best of it or move on. Or are you suggesting that the government should somehow subsidise these declining industries in order to keep people in work? If you are then I think you need to look at how that fared in 70's Britain and indeed in the Soviet Union for most of it's short existence.

I shall let the lads know that they should be chasing a career in rocket science and not, bricklaying, plastering, roofing, joinery, plumbing.

I could also tell them to go and get thousands of pounds into debt by going to uni in the hope that they may get a job at the end of it.

Its no point telling me, i was lucky enough to get myself an indentured apprentiship so ive had a better start than any of these lads can hope for.

Lots of people are not complying to the system anymore renovation man, and i dont blame them.

The way i see it is the government used to force people to comply to their system of tax/NI and the people got a bit of something in return.

The system is now completely broken and lots of people are dropping out of the system because they know it is nothing but a scam.

Get used to it, The times they are a changin.

Conrad

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well I don't either. But then I don't really know any parents who have lesser aspirations for their kids than they do for themselves.

Is sucess and happiness all about pounds and pennies then?

Jimmy_31

DervProf wrote: »

If I am, it is from having worked for the general public on a self-employed basis for more than 2 decades. I get to meet and work for all sorts of people, usually in their own homes, from the relatively poor to the super rich. I often chat with them about the economy, work etc, and it gives me a pretty broad view of how other people live. I doubt I'd get that perspective from sitting in an office all day, or even driving up and down the motorways between meetings. And I doubt I'd enjoy that way of working, having had so much freedom to do pretty well as I please.

BTW, Astronomy has been a keen interest of mine since I was a kid. Nothing like peering through a telescope to make you realise how insignificant we really are. Refractor or reflector, I hope you manage to get a good one.

Im hoping to take more of an intrest in astronomy when i get my own place, no telescope at the moment but it is something ive always wanted to get.

I think a few people on this forum could benefit from going to youtube and watching george carlin the american dream, then after that watch, its just a ride by bill hicks.

Back to back these videos should wake a few people up:), then again................

Conrad

DervProf wrote: »

Instead of buying a house (or ten) ?

You could not be more wrong.

Loads of people are just starting thier portfolios right now.
I deal with them daily.
They just don't sit about dithering and whining, they just work, save and slowly build thier portfolis.

A typical example is a Nigerian health care worker I deal with.

4 years ago she got a flat in Liverpool (she's based in London), for £40k with a 10% deposit and ended up letting it out.
She's a modest earner, about £27k.

She's now got a second place, this one in a cheap part of outer London again with a 10% depsoit as she intended to live there, but happaened in the end to end up letting it out. Both lenders gave consent to let - see the world didn;t end, no one went to prison as the terrified bears tell us is the inevitable outcome of such dire fraud.

I know this type, she'll end up with 10 properties in 20 years time.

Is it a risk, well yes, but 99% of folk manage to pull it off without loosing everything. She can always sell if needbe. She'd rather take modest risk and at least try rather than whinge about the next generation.

This behaviour is alien to some who just dont have the liver for it.

Graham_Devon

Conrad wrote: »

Is sucess and happiness all about pounds and pennies then?

No, but neither is this thread.

Jimmy_31

Conrad wrote: »

You could not be more wrong.

Loads of people are just starting thier portfolios right now.
I deal with them daily.
They just don't sit about dithering and whining, they just work, save and slowly build thier portfolis.

A typical example is a Nigerian health care worker I deal with.

4 years ago she got a flat in Liverpool (she's based in London), for £40k with a 10% deposit and ended up letting it out.
She's a modest earner, about £27k.

She's now got a second place, this one in a cheap part of outer London again with a 10% depsoit as she intended to live there, but happaened in the end to end up letting it out. Both lenders gave consent to let - see the world didn;t end, no one went to prison as the terrified bears tell us is the inevitable outcome of such dire fraud.

I know this type, she'll end up with 10 properties in 20 years time.

Is it a risk, well yes, but 99% of folk manage to pull it off without loosing everything. She can always sell if needbe. She'd rather take modest risk and at least try rather than whinge about the next generation.

This behaviour is alien to some who just dont have the liver for it.

Or cant be ar5ed with the hassle of having ten houses.

DervProf

Conrad wrote: »

You could not be more wrong.

It was a question, not an answer.

Graham_Devon

Conrad wrote: »

They just don't sit about dithering and whining, they just work, save and slowly build thier portfolis.

Simply writing off anyone who looks into the situation as "whining" or being lazy, doesn't help your cause.

Secondly, you also know other people. People of the older generation. People who you in your own words, feel it is unfair on, to expect them to pay their way and meet their responsibilities.

It was the thread you ran away from. Remember that one?

ruggedtoast

We've been overdue for another boomer ding dong for a while now.

olly300

RenovationMan wrote: »

I think this is the problem for the 'must have it now' generation. They want all the stuff they see in the celebrity magazines but don't seem to realise that you have to work hard for it.

The aim these days seems to be to get onto some reality TV show, swan around at red carpet affairs and pocket a million quid. Some of these people need a wake up call.

Sorry who allowed the "must have it now" generation to develop this attitude?

Their parents who are baby boomers that's who.

If you spoil your children then don't be surprised if they grow up into adults with a great sense of entitlement.