Rift grows between young and old

Jimmy_31

MrReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: »

Jimmy Lad would rather stay at his mummies and wait for everything to be handed to him. We have a word for people like him, man-babies.

I have a word for people like you.

abaxas

julieq wrote: »

so much ENTITLEMENT

From the old.

'I've paid into the system, now pay me back'

Jimmy_31

Cameron would love this forum.

The older generation arguing with the younger generation.

As long as this keeps happening, then nobody is shouting at the government to sort it out and play fair.

MrRee, are you david cameron ?

DervProf

Those here that claim that they have "made it" and worked hard to get a good income/home, often discredit those that they think "can't be bothered", and want something for nothing.

The fact is that those who have worked their way "up the ladder" still need someone at the bottom of the ladder to make sure it's safe. I certainly wouldn't be poking fun at the person who is making sure my ladder doesn't slip.

In other words, "working class" people (and I'm sure he won't mind me describing him as such) like Jimmy 31, and myself are often just as important in society as those that are "above" them in terms of income. When MrRee & co want some building work doing, a bite to eat at a fast food outlet, their bins emptied etc., I would suggest that they don't mock the person providing this service by telling them that they shouldn't be living with their parents, or that they shouldn't be renting a property. I'd also suggest that if their refuse collector or restaurant waiter were able to afford a house, then their council tax/chiken tikka masala and pilau rice might cost them considerably more.

They might also want to consider that some of us are quite happy with what we've got, and are most likely a lot happier than some people who continually strive for "more". Recent comments by one such person suggest to me that trying to pay off a large mortgage is rather stressful.

DervProf

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

I have a word for people like you.

Any prizes for guessing what it is ?

Callie22

abaxas wrote: »

From the old.

'I've paid into the system, now pay me back'

Have to say that maybe that's true - my grandad will book a GPs appointment to get a prescription for paracetamol. I pointed out to him that he could by this for 19p at the co-op but 'I've paid into the NHS, so if can get this for free I will'. Doesn't seem to register that the 19p paracetamol that he could buy himself has just cost the NHS the price of a GP appointment, and a prescription - I'm guessing that's just cost the system well over £100. Small example that maybe it's not just the younger generation that have a sense of entitlement.

DervProf

julieq wrote: »

Tines are changing. You may need to work for prosperity.

Instead of buying a house (or ten) ?

Jimmy_31

DervProf wrote: »

Those here that claim that they have "made it" and worked hard to get a good income/home, often discredit those that they think "can't be bothered", and want something for nothing.

The fact is that those who have worked their way "up the ladder" still need someone at the bottom of the ladder to make sure it's safe. I certainly wouldn't be poking fun at the person who is making sure my ladder doesn't slip.

In other words, "working class" people (and I'm sure he won't mind me describing him as such) like Jimmy 31, and myself are often just as important in society as those that are "above" them in terms of income. When MrRee & co want some building work doing, a bite to eat at a fast food outlet, their bins emptied etc., I would suggest that they don't mock the person providing this service by telling them that they shouldn't be living with their parents, or that they shouldn't be renting a property. I'd also suggest that if their refuse collector or restaurant waiter were able to afford a house, then their council tax/chiken tikka masala and pilau rice might cost them considerably more.

They might also want to consider that some of us are quite happy with what we've got, and are most likely a lot happier than some people who continually strive for "more". Recent comments by one such person suggest to me that trying to pay off a large mortgage is rather stressful.

It seems to me that you are more in tune with what life is really about than some other people.

The only thing ill be striving for when ive bought a house is a comfy chair.

I may splash out on a snazzy telescope at some point so i can look at other planets hurtling through space, whilst i am sitting on this planet that is hurtling through space:)

RenovationMan

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

Yeah you tell em renovation man.

I know a few lads on my estate who want a real apprentiship in the construction industry as they are sick of being put bull5hit courses and getting nowhere. They wont be getting an indentured apprentiship any time soon as they dont exist anymore.

I don't understand your logic. If there isn't money to be made in the construction industry and there aren't sufficient jobs then why can't they should look into alternative careers outside construction? As I said, it's not rocket science.

I dare say when the ship building and coal mining industries went into decline in this country that a load of people were moaning about the lack of opportunities available. What's the solution? Either accept the situation and make the best of it or move on. Or are you suggesting that the government should somehow subsidise these declining industries in order to keep people in work? If you are then I think you need to look at how that fared in 70's Britain and indeed in the Soviet Union for most of it's short existence.

DervProf

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

It seems to me that you are more in tune with what life is really about than some other people.

If I am, it is from having worked for the general public on a self-employed basis for more than 2 decades. I get to meet and work for all sorts of people, usually in their own homes, from the relatively poor to the super rich. I often chat with them about the economy, work etc, and it gives me a pretty broad view of how other people live. I doubt I'd get that perspective from sitting in an office all day, or even driving up and down the motorways between meetings. And I doubt I'd enjoy that way of working, having had so much freedom to do pretty well as I please.

BTW, Astronomy has been a keen interest of mine since I was a kid. Nothing like peering through a telescope to make you realise how insignificant we really are. Refractor or reflector, I hope you manage to get a good one.