NHS Glasgow - staff parking

Trebor16

If the person is a member of staff then how have they trespassed?

The union also need to be given a lesson on what constitutes a fine and the fact a private company have no legal power to levy a fine or penalty charge.

give_them_FA

The scheme might even be half respectable if the PPC was paid a contractual sum by the Trust, but any charges issued were payable to the Trust (landowner) and not CPP.


But I suspect its the usual story of the PPC being on the take, with the incentive to issue all manner of dodgy tickets if they get the revenue.

custardy

peter_the_piper wrote: »

I still cannot get my head around the principle of staff being disciplined by the hospital for an alleged debt with a third party. Cannot be right unless the car park is managed by the hospital staff.

isnt the issue that staff are disobaying the instruction, that are not to park in the hosptial car park?

give_them_FA

That's a good point, but what we are really arguing about is whether they should be forced to pay unlawful fines to a third party parasite.

custardy

give_them_FA wrote: »

That's a good point, but what we are really arguing about is whether they should be forced to pay unlawful fines to a third party parasite.

but the OP doesnt say the discipline is about payment.
only the details are passed to the hospital.
I think that needs clarification.
If someone was posting they were being disciplined for parking in the works car park,after being told not to.
I thin it would be different replies

jjj1980

catsdad wrote: »

NHS Glasgow & Clyde offers visitors and patients free 4 hours parking. Employees are no longer allowed to park at their workplace.

For many staff public transport is not an option. I know of many who are parking onsite in PERMIT car parks (NOT inconveniencing Patients and escorts) who are being ticketed and ignoring them as per this site's advice.
New spin is that apparently CPPlus will now pass on names and addresses of defaulters to NHS GGC to cross reference and institute Disciplinary Procedure against staff.

While I already have a bee in my bonnet about the DVLA handing over my details to CPPlus etc, is it legal for them to pass them on again - presumably not ALL defaulters will be employees, some will be MSE followers - NOT GGC STAFF. - any thoughts?

In addition to Doctors being struck off for misconduct, will we see humbler employees dismissed for Parking offences

<<The revised policy enables information to be shared by the car parking contactor with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. The Parking Contractor will provide information on the registrations of cars issued with Unauthorised Parking Notices (UPNs).

We are asking all staff to follow the policy and not to park in areas reserved for patients and visitors; this will mean that UPNs will not be issued to our staff.

However where staff do not follow the policy we will now have the information to action. That action will be taken by line managers and may include use of the Disciplinary Policy and Procedure. We will no longer be imposing fines on staff breaching the policy.>>

The very last line of this quote says that "fines" will no longer be issued for breaches of the parking policy. So, I read that to mean that whilst they are using a PPC to monitor the parking and document any breaches, this is where the actions by the PPC end and the breaches are dealt with under the hospital's disciplinary/misconduct policy.

Coupon-mad

jjj1980 wrote: »

The very last line of this quote says that "fines" will no longer be issued for breaches of the parking policy. So, I read that to mean that whilst they are using a PPC to monitor the parking and document any breaches, this is where the actions by the PPC end and the breaches are dealt with under the hospital's disciplinary/misconduct policy.

Yes but it says that ''The Parking Contractor will provide information on the registrations of cars issued with 'Unauthorised Parking Notices' (UPNs)''.

So, the PPC WILL still issue fake PCNs willy-nilly (no change there then!). And plenty of people are daft enough to just pay.

And if people are not so stupid as to pay, the PPC will go running to the NHS Trust with a list of car reg numbers and/or staff permit numbers they have harvested from these cars.

The NHS Trust will then check that info against their database and jump to the conclusion that the person who is the keeper of that car, was driving.

And the NHS Trust then instigate the disciplinary process which could get very, very messy if they pick on a person who understands a bit about this 'alleged contract' and who was NOT driving. Damages for harassment at work could be pretty high!

It does read as though the PPC will issue 'UPNs' to everyone - and some people will of course just pay up (staff and patients). Then the 'non-paying list' will be split into non-staff (PPC still pursue) and staff (no fake fine any more, but disciplinary action based on the inherently-flawed info from the PPC).

The most ridiculous thing surely is that it WON'T solve the parking problem - but when did a PPC ever care about that?

jjj1980

Possibly me reading it the wrong way, if so I apologise.

I took it to mean that they will place a notice on the car saying 'parked without authorisation, details passed to hospital management or something along those lines. Then the breach of policy would be dealt with via disciplinary etc.

This was how it was done where I used to work and the wording we were given was almost exactly the same as issued by this hospital.

Coupon-mad

jjj1980 wrote: »

Possibly me reading it the wrong way, if so I apologise.

I took it to mean that they will place a notice on the car saying 'parked without authorisation, details passed to hospital management or something along those lines. Then the breach of policy would be dealt with via disciplinary etc.

This was how it was done where I used to work and the wording we were given was almost exactly the same as issued by this hospital.

I just can't see what's in it for CP Plus to do it your way; have never known them to issue 'warnings'! When they see a car and decide to issue a fake PCN they don't know at that stage if it's a staff car. I would be betting that CP Plus will still issue their fake fines and it's only the non-payers who will be disciplined - which in fact is wrong in itself if the NHS managers 'let off' the stoooopid payers, from any internal disciplinary procedure! The stooopid payers should face the same surely, if the policy is to be fair, otherwise it's penalising those who know the PCNs are fake?

d255686

I referred the email about the disciplinary action to the information commissioner's office about a week ago, as I think the law of trespass in Scotland is a bit different to that in England. Also, I don't think that information paid for by CP Plus under the pretext of court action can be passed on to a third party. Surely it's covered under the DPA? We'll see what the ICO have to say about it.