a new combi cost 400 pound a year to run it no gas

ollski

Andy_WSM wrote: »

What a load of nonsense this is!

Correct, as is the original post.

prosaver

no seriously, combi (when on stand by) have a small computer inside and is always on in case someone wants to have instant hot water and also its keeping an eye on the room temp . so it might be good to switch it all off when not in use

HappyMJ

ollski wrote: »

Of course you could always consider electric radiators:

5 x 2kw electric rads with timers 2000.00
5 x electrical sockets and heating ring main fitted plus hanging rads 1000.00
5 x timers running on standby 50.00 p.a
Lets give them a 10 year lifespan

305.00 p.a to sit and do nothing and when they are running over £1 an hour.

Andy_WSM wrote: »

What a load of nonsense this is!

ollski wrote: »

Correct, as is the original post.

I shouldn't really reply but the OP's post is realistic. Your post is just made up from imaginary figures.

Electric convector heaters cost about £20 each. 5 of them is £100.
Electric sockets and appropriately rated ring mains already exist in homes. There is no additional cost. Hanging them is a DIY job. A gas boiler must be fitted by a gas safe engineer.
Timers cost £1 from poundland. They consume about 1W per hour at a cost of £1 per year times 5 that's £5 per year.
Electric heaters last a lot longer than 10 years. They last closer to 25 years. Dividing the capital cost over 25 years is £4 per year.
The average lifespan of a gas boiler is 15 years some last longer and some last 10 years but the average is 15 years.
So 5 electric radiators on standby costs about £10 per year and anyway every house should at least have one or two electric heaters as a backup for gas boiler failure the cost of keeping one in the cupboard is very low and it may come in handy on a Friday evening when the boiler fails and the boiler engineer can't visit until Monday morning. If insurance is not held the normal response time to a boiler failure under warranty is usually next business day.

ollski

I understand but in the original post point 1 is wrong, point 2 is optional and point 3 is a huge variable.
I priced for 'raceenergy' electric rads with rf controllers, at 2kw each. Fitted with 1.5m cables so fine if you have sockets handy to each one, if not you'll need them and a 10kw load will take some looking at your wiring.
Now thats without running costs, on these 5 rads....about £1.20 an hour!

HappyMJ

ollski wrote: »

I understand but in the original post point 1 is wrong, point 2 is optional and point 3 is a huge variable.
I priced for 'raceenergy' electric rads with rf controllers, at 2kw each. Fitted with 1.5m cables so fine if you have sockets handy to each one, if not you'll need them and a 10kw load will take some looking at your wiring.
Now thats without running costs, on these 5 rads....about £1.20 an hour!

Point 1 is correct the standing charge of gas is about 36 pence per day. It's either a standing charge or being charged much more on the primary rate which is also about 36 pence per day. I have a no standing charge on my gas but don't use any of it so for me the gas supplier pays me £50 a year to have a gas supply (NPower) but if I were to replace the boiler and use it it would cost 7.53 pence per kWh for gas until all the primary units have been used. The electric heating is cheaper at 4.71 pence per kWh.

Point 2 is optional but if someone wishes to have a 4 hour 24/7 response time then that has to be paid for. The default warranty service is next business day.

Point 3 is variable but it's conservative. OP could have quoted the typical charge made by British Gas to replace a boiler. The OP has not taken into account the radiators themselves and the pipework which have a lifespan of about 40 years.

ollski

Point 1 now seems to be a bit more vague, but when originally posted referred directly to the electrical usage of the combi boiler sitting in standby rather than the standing charge.

point 2 is optional as I said but if comparing like for like then surely the extended warranty cost should be added to electric rads?

I beg to differ on rad lifespans 40 years ago they had a 40 year expectancy, but a new paper thin 'energy effiecient' rad is not even close. I probably replace a rad once a week....very rarely are they more than 10 - 12 years old.

There are loads of options for different premises and on new builds soon gas won't even be an option. I can only imagine the posts on the costs with this as electric just isn't suitable for primary domestic heating at the moment.

prosaver

HappyMJ wrote: »

Point 1 is correct the standing charge of gas is about 36 pence per day. It's either a standing charge or being charged much more on the primary rate which is also about 36 pence per day. I have a no standing charge on my gas but don't use any of it so for me the gas supplier pays me £50 a year to have a gas supply (NPower) but if I were to replace the boiler and use it it would cost 7.53 pence per kWh for gas until all the primary units have been used. The electric heating is cheaper at 4.71 pence per kWh.

Point 2 is optional but if someone wishes to have a 4 hour 24/7 response time then that has to be paid for. The default warranty service is next business day.

Point 3 is variable but it's conservative. OP could have quoted the typical charge made by British Gas to replace a boiler. The OP has not taken into account the radiators themselves and the pipework which have a lifespan of about 40 years.

point 1 was taken in consideration that a smart meter was used...now, some people say they are not so accurate.
remember theres a small pc inside your combi which is always on

point 2 is optional (however would get this one as this includes a yearly services..oh yeah, forgot to put to be serviced every year , thats another 60 pound. chur chink.
point 3
true,however I have had a quote to replace my old boiler with a new combi, leaving all old rads and pipe work= £1400 and that's a worchester one. ps (no thanks)
food for thought:
You haven't mentioned electric central heating, where an electric boiler supplies heat to your wet radiators. Using Economy 7, my electric boiler heats 320 litres of hot water overnight, which is transferred to the radiators when the central heating is turned on. You really need Economy 10, where you get five hours of cheap electricity overnight, then a boost at lunchtime and the rest in the evening. We live in the country, where there is no natural gas supply, so it's oil or electric. Over 30 years, we've had oil twice and solid fuel central heating once. Electric boilers save on the cost of installing and maintaining oil storage tanks, but it is very expensive if you are at home all day in mid-winter. Until this week my standing order for electricity averaged £200 a month. But on Monday Scottish Power increased my tariff by 36 per cent. .
- Rob, Burnley, 04/8/2011 17:03
and i would say minnus £30 for other electrical appliances

gas4you

OP, what a load of I'll informed !!!!!!!!!

prosaver

gas4you wrote: »

OP, what a load of I'll informed !!!!!!!!!

dont you wish you had one of these

gas4you

I have, hence why I know this post is a load of sad time wasting poppycock.

You are obviously very bored with too much time on your hands to even think of a post like this