CSA - Court and Liability Orders

romanempire

maggied wrote: »

Got a rather abusive call today from the CSA.

The last time I spoke to them.......

We got the call yesterday and the person I spoke to got very aggresive........

Once again - IN WRITING ONLY, sent recorded delivery.

If they call, tell them to send it in writing and hang up.

YOU are making it easy for them to muck you about.

They control what's recorded when they speak to you on the phone. Make them commit it to paper to protect yourself (and avoid the aggravation of their abusive manner).

Have you sent off for your husbands file?

R.

skibadee

Blob wrote: »

Sounds all to familiar to me this, in my case I was attacked personally by the ex and needed medical attention! In the course of the attack I defended myself as you do, being a former Royal Marine and 6'3" I could have done real damage to her, I just picked her up and put her in a chair! Was claimed I through her across the room, to the police, when they talked to me they found out about my military career and decided that actually I had used the minim force necessary to defend myself, so did the judge in the Contact hearings as well!

If the CSA buffoons go for this LO then before the hearing, go to the Court and make an application on Form M245 an application for a Warrant of Suspension, tis will stop the LO dead in its tracks and any and all enforcement action as well. Effectively you then take all of the power from the CSA and place it in the hands of the Courts with regards to any arrears. The CSA will hate you for it, but life goes on.

I really wish we'd known this 4 yrs ago

pd001

maggied wrote: »

Sorry for bumping my own thread...


Got a rather abusive call today from the CSA.


The last time I spoke to them they said they'd spoken to PWC and although she'd initially denied that OH had DSD more than 1 night a week she changed her mind she then accepted that we had DSD the nights we stated (142 nights per year).

They then sent us a letter with the 'new' calcs in which were incorrect. We wrote back pointing this out (which they don't appear to have received).

We got the call yesterday and the person I spoke to got very aggresive and said that we'd 'misled' them (ie we said that we would pay the arrears one they had recalculated correctly...which they have not done) and we were losing our shared care allowance.

I've made it very clear all along that we are happy to pay (OH has done so for 8 years) it will be at the correct amount.

What now?

Can they do this?

As I said further up there is a court hearing for an LO on the 23rd.

They seem to be prepared to believe the ex's lies even though we have a CO...what's the best course of action here? We have been making payments but not the amount the CSa want.

STOP IT!!

STOP IT NOW!!

Send them a letter and tell them that you do not want them to contact you by phone, and that from the date of the letter that you are sending to them, you require everything in writing.....EVERYTHING!!
Tell them that, due to personal circumstances, you are thinking of changing your number.
You DO NOT have to explain anything further to them. (even if you dont actually change it)
Send this letter recorded delivery.

Send every subsequent letter to them by recorded delivery. When they write to you, always try to reply to them as quickly as possible.
I did all of the above and my paper file isHUGE.
Believe me, you will find it worth it in the end.
It will put an end to phone conversation missunderstandings.

When they have got the message they will put at the end of every letter that they send to you the following.... 'attempt may be made to contact you by telephone'.

If they do put that phrase, or indeed a similar phrase, in a letter to you (they did to me) then in your reply to them, remind them that they should not attempt to contact you by phone and that your number is possibly due to be changed (even if it isnt).

It is this simple..
DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM ON THE PHONE

Romanempire...
Your advice is sound...I have posted tons on this forum, for years, about not dealing with the csa on the phone.
I have posted many many times telling people to simply stop chatting on the phone to the csa.

Eventually the message will get through..we hope

maggied_2

I hear you loud and clear about the phone contact! She phoned us I and did keep saying throughout the call that we would no longer be dealing with them over the phone and that we would be using written correspondence only from now on. This seemed to only make her even angrier and every time I tried to terminate the call she came back with another threat and insult! I hung up in the end.

I'll send a RD letter tomorrow asking that everything be done in writing and that (again) we are happy to pay the arrears once they have calculated them correctly.

It's great - for years we've had to put up with abusive s**t from the psycho ex and now she's getting a government agency to do it for her.

pd001

maggied wrote: »

I hear you loud and clear about the phone contact! She phoned us and did keep saying throughout the call that we would no longer be dealing with them over the phone and that we would be using written correspondence only from now on. This seemed to only make her even angrier and every time I tried to terminate the call she came back with another threat and insult! I hung up in the end.

I'll send a RD letter tomorrow asking that everything be done in writing and that (again) we are happy to pay the arrears once they have calculated them correctly.

It's great - for years we've had to put up with abusive s**t from the psycho ex and now she's getting a government agency to do it for her.

Good, I m glad that we have been able to help you.

Dont let them bully you, but in return, just remember that they are only doing their job.
There may be the vary rare occasion when you have to phone them, but in my case that never happened.
I have never spoken to anyone at the csa, not ever!

maggied_2

How do I request the file? Can I just ask for it in the letter?

pd001

maggied wrote: »

How do I request the file? Can I just ask for it in the letter?

Hi again,

have a look at the following link,

http://www.nacsa.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=61

You need the first link in the middle of the page and by the look of things, it costs £10.00

nicky3

keep paying what you think is appropriate and do it through the CSA, good luck

nicky3

Sounds like you've all had a tough time and have a tough time ahead

How Personality Disorders Drive Family Court Litigation http://www.billeddy.com/articles/vol2_no1_art4.htm

maggied_2

Nicky - I'm reading that thread with my jaw on the floor! I've been saying for years that PWC has BPD.

One of the threats I received from CSA was that because we'd not paid the arrears (because they're wrong!) we would lose the shared care element - and that PWC had only agreed to the number of
nights we stated in order to receive payments plus the arrears. How can they do this? We've provided the CO (although they said that for all they know we might not be keeping to it - nice assumption!!).

I really don't see how the CSA help matters by being so combatative - and I can see why people end up not playing by their rules (although do not agree for a second with withholding CM).