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in a pickle - assured shorthold tenancy

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  • G_M
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    edited 18 February 2012 at 1:28PM
    tbs624 wrote: »
    Interesting discussion on this one at

    http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2011/04/11/tenants-legal-help-five-things-about-joint-tenants/

    See Tessa's point 5 and then the comments from others below
    Yellowstar wrote: »
    Are you sure that's correct, G_M?

    Yellowstar x

    The reference in Tessa's blog (above) shows it's an uncertain area of law - even the specialist property solicitors debating the issue!

    Tess'a view (point 5) supported my original view - indeed I got my understanding of the law on this from her (though elsewhere).

    However, others suggested that if one joint tenant gave notice in a periodic tenancy and the others failed to leave
    * they might create a new tenancy altogether assuming they pay rent which the LL accepts or
    * they might become trespassers

    Personally I find the possibility that a tenant who has not been evicted through the courts, and who continues to pay rent, can become a trespasser, somewhat unlikely. But there again - I'm not a lawyer.

    So - sorry - I cannot give a definitive answer!
  • G_M wrote: »
    The reference in Tessa's blog (above) shows it's an uncertain area of law - even the specialist property solicitors debating the issue!

    Tess'a view (point 5) supported my original view - indeed I got my understanding of the law on this from her (though elsewhere).

    However, others suggested that if one joint tenant gave notice in a periodic tenancy and the others failed to leave
    * they might create a new tenancy altogether assuming they pay rent which the LL accepts or
    * they might become trespassers

    Personally I find the possibility that a tenant who has not been evicted through the courts, and who continues to pay rent, can become a trespasser, somewhat unlikely. But there again - I'm not a lawyer.

    So - sorry - I cannot give a definitive answer!

    I am of the view one joint tenant giving valid notice ends tenancy for all..
    e.g.
    Hammersmith and Fulham LBC v Monk, House of Lords...
    1992
    Service of NTQ by one joint tenant terminates tenancy
    The defendant had been one of two joint tenants. Wit...
    - and several other cases recorded in the usual reference works..

    Ah, but if that tenant goes & the others don't??

    AFAIK If other tenants pay money (and LL accepts...) then a new tenancy has been created, albeit "verbal" etc etc...
    If other tenants don't pay... LL would need court order to evict them...
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